[info]elfwreck in [info]07refugees

Could be the start of Strikethrough 3.0

shota is the target this time.
http://community.livejournal.com/ljspeaks/7830.html?view=254358#t254358
Dear LiveJournal user thefacelessevil,

We are contacting you because we have received multiple reports of material in violation of our policies in the 'shota' community, which you are the maintainer of. LiveJournal's policies do not permit images (including cartoon-like artwork) which depict minors engaged in graphic, sexually explicit conduct.

As maintainer of a community, it is your responsibility to ensure that content meeting this description is not present within the community. Please monitor your community and ensure it stays within the guidelines of this policy. Thank you.

Regards,
Brian
LiveJournal Abuse Prevention Team

I opened a support request:
http://www.livejournal.com/support/see_request.bml?id=836059& auth= 549w (Iiinteresting changes they've made in security... I can only open it when logged out.)
At http://community.livejournal.com/ljspeaks/7830.html?view=254358#t254358 it's mentioned that "LiveJournal's policies do not permit images (including cartoon-like artwork) which depict minors engaged in graphic, sexually explicit conduct."

Where is this policy available? I cannot find it, nor a link to it, in the TOS or FAQ.

(I also note that the community in question does not post pictures of minors engaged in sexual acts, because it posts pictures of fictional characters only, who are never minors. Minors are human beings under 18 years of age.)
Gee, when IS that policy document going to be released to THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW IT?

Posted on Jan. 21st, 2008 at 03:33 pm | | Leave a comment | Add to Memories | Tell a Friend

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[info]xie_xie_xie

I know nothing about shota, anime, manga... but I do know bullshit when I see it.
Posted on Jan. 21st, 2008 11:57 pm (UTC) | | Reply

[info]vl_redreign

I belong to that comm, have for about a year or so. It's like chibi, sort of. They're supposed to look young, but they aren't. LJ is amazing. Anorexia is perfectly fine, whereas an accepted artform isn't.
Posted on Jan. 22nd, 2008 12:20 am (UTC) | | Reply

[info]techno_goddess

LOL! Just...LOL.
Posted on Jan. 22nd, 2008 12:29 am (UTC) | | Reply
(no subject) - [info]antiaol - Posted on Jan. 22nd, 2008 02:08 am (UTC)

[info]xie_xie_xie

Really? That's amazing.

Ummm, have you watched television lately? They show characters who are minors engaged in sexual activity all the time.

NO ONE is showing minors engaged in sexual activity, yo. They are talking about CARTOONS. Drawings. ACTORS.

We're talking about Buffy and Dawson's Creek and South of Nowhere and THE FREAKING SOAP OPERAS.

Posted on Jan. 22nd, 2008 02:48 am (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]antiaol

Hi, I was wrong, and yes I know it, and yes I also deleted the comment you just replied to so I wouldn't spread false information - I take stuff like that very seriously, and hate to lead anyone astray with anything I write. Thanks for pointing out my error (I was hoping someone would, seriously), but even before I knew you replied to me I was writing another comment - you can find it here:

http://asylums.insanejournal.com/07refugees/68710.html?thread=893542#t893542
Posted on Jan. 22nd, 2008 02:57 am (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]antiaol

Oh and YO, chill out, OK? Jesus Christ, don'tcha eva eva eva even hint at taking teh pr0nz away from [info]xie_xie_xie or even (mistakenly) suggest anything like that or she will bite yo' head off, YO!!!!!eleventy!!!!!!!

Maybe someone just needs to calm the f**k down.
Posted on Jan. 22nd, 2008 06:43 am (UTC) | | Parent | Reply

[info]ex_headgirl364

Yeah, I got an email today telling me to delete an entry I made in that com awhile ago. I deleted it so that they wouldn't suspend my account. What I figured would end up happening occurred - someone joined the com (it's members locked) just to report it and individual users to the abuse team. Of course, LJ can prohibit whatever they want on their server (despite the fact that it isn't illegal), but why reinstate the com only to threaten it again?

Someone is going to start reporting anime fan art to them next (if they haven't already). How many anime and manga fandoms involve young looking characters that fans draw or write erotica about? Dozens of them.
Posted on Jan. 22nd, 2008 02:36 am (UTC) | | Thread | Reply

[info]stacia

The amount of people on LJ who take it upon themselves to report what they don't like is astounding.

On vintage_sex, a comm which is flocked and has moderated submissions and membership, a member suggested something I posted was child porn. It was a French art nude from 1890s, nothing sexual about it, and the model was short but not young. She was clearly over 18, but the second someone thought a model was "underage", panic ensued. I'm pretty sure the comm was reported to LJ.

That's why I'm certain people have reported anime and manga by now, just to be contrary or because it wasn't their cup of tea. LJ users are terrible at self-policing because of this, and LJ is no good at determining what's allowable under the TOS and what isn't, so it's a complete mess.
Posted on Jan. 22nd, 2008 04:27 am (UTC) | | Parent | Reply

[info]pen

I look at it this way. They won't have to worry about their advertisers in a while. They'll eventually succeed in reducing the bits they get by forcing most people of the site to do the things they do online anyway.
Posted on Jan. 22nd, 2008 04:28 am (UTC) | | Parent | Reply

[info]antiaol

Alright, when I'm starving to death as I am now I can't think straight so I write factually incorrect things - which I don't like doing - so I just looked up the applicable law on this:

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode47/usc_sec_47_00000231----000-.html

...and according to Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Online_Protection_Act#_note-0

...that law was struck down in 2004 and a permanent injunction against it was declared in March 2007, so whatever I was reading about the law last night must have been old/outdated and either I didn't know that or else I forgot, because I started to say something different here but changed my mind and deleted the comment...
Posted on Jan. 22nd, 2008 02:52 am (UTC) | | Thread | Reply

[info]dogemperor

...and yet the "Babywise" and "trainupachild" communities *still* exist on LJ (for that matter, there are probably promoters of Bill Gothard's crap on LJ) and apparently are perfectly okay according to LJ, despite RL laws against RL abuse of children (and the two communities in question are practically communities explicitly instructing parents on methods of "Bible-based" baby beating that have led to deaths of both children and other people).
Posted on Jan. 22nd, 2008 04:02 am (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]littlegirllover

Lol..well dangit, that's it! - these people needa create a Bible-based shota group.
Posted on Jan. 23rd, 2008 02:30 pm (UTC) | | Parent | Reply

[info]dogemperor

Also, in regards to the COPA law--it was struck down fairly recently, so not all sources are going to have updated, most likely. (FWIW, I know when I was staffing at ACen in 2005, shota and lolicon were seen as enough of a grey area that it was frowned upon--then again, the strikedown of the COPA sections that could have made shota and lolicon potentially illegal was being appealed at the time, and the con couldn't take the legal risk if someone decided to sue.)
Posted on Jan. 22nd, 2008 04:08 am (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]antiaol

The COPA law gets reviewed again sometime this year, doesn't it? (Read that online recently, too.) This is not over yet, believe me.
Posted on Jan. 22nd, 2008 06:36 am (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]dogemperor

Oh, I'm *sure* it isn't over by any means...but then again, with stuff like this, it never really *is* over :P "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance" and all that.
Posted on Jan. 22nd, 2008 07:28 am (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]antiaol

Eternal viligance won't do us any good once they come up with stricter/more-constrictive laws and go batshit on us enforcing them, besides. Sorry. I used to believe what you're saying, but I'm seeing privacy and literally *thought* invasions on so many fronts nowadays that I don't think we, as a people, stand a chance anymore, at least not in the US or England. Both are becoming surveillance societies more and more each day, and the point of all society will soon be just to watch, judge, monitor, and of course control others with less power and say than you, down to the thought-by-thought level if possible. It's over, man. We haven't seen all of it yet, not even a tiny slice of what's to come, and personally, I don't really want to, either.
Posted on Jan. 22nd, 2008 07:44 am (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]shadowstar

You sure you don't want to?

Look what Microsoft is patenting these days...

Effing scary.
Posted on Jan. 23rd, 2008 05:50 am (UTC) | | Parent | Reply

[info]stewardess

I started writing a comment, but it got ridiculously long, so I'll put it in my journal.
Posted on Jan. 22nd, 2008 04:21 am (UTC) | | Thread | Reply

[info]the_willow

Did you ever put it on your journal? Just so I know if it's there and flocked or something, since I don't see it.
Posted on Jan. 24th, 2008 07:38 pm (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]stewardess

No, I haven't posted it yet. It will not be locked.
Posted on Jan. 27th, 2008 05:10 am (UTC) | | Parent | Reply

[info]lostalgia

Do you guys think they'll be using italics this time, instead of strikeouts or bolding?
Posted on Jan. 22nd, 2008 07:09 am (UTC) | | Reply

[info]lady_ganesh

Not to sound contrarian, but am I the only one unsurprised by this? They TOSed images where characters were labeled 'of age,' and shota is about characters who are clearly not.
Posted on Jan. 25th, 2008 01:09 am (UTC) | | Reply

[info]sapphoq

The Live Urinal, it burns.


The stoopidity just keeps coming through all the time.

My guess is that they will keep going after anyone who is not vanilla until the only people attracted to Live Journal are vanilla people.

I hate them.

spike
Posted on Jan. 26th, 2008 03:56 am (UTC) | | Reply

[info]tamashitoshiro

It was probably one of the THOUSANDS of people thefacelessevil has pissed off or offended. XD

The girl's a TOTAL twit.
Posted on Jan. 27th, 2008 02:54 am (UTC) | | Thread | Reply

[info]thefacelessevil

Oh snap.
Posted on Mar. 24th, 2008 09:19 pm (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]tamashitoshiro

And a stalker too...
Posted on Mar. 24th, 2008 09:44 pm (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]thefacelessevil

And you are worthy of stalking... how? I don't even know you.
Posted on Mar. 24th, 2008 09:50 pm (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]tamashitoshiro

Well you DO have the tendency to turn up when ever mentioned...

ah but enough bygones are bygones and all the people you banned for being my friends have moved on anyway...
Posted on Mar. 24th, 2008 09:53 pm (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]thefacelessevil

It's a public post on a community about one of my community's. Go fig that I'd read the comments made on it. Two months afterwards is a bit slow to think I'm stalking someone, though.

I still have no idea who you are. Saying I banned your friends doesn't exactly narrow it down, as I run a bunch of LJ communities "with my iron fist". So don't flatter yourself to think that I notice every little thing you say.

There are no bygones from me for cowards like you.
Posted on Mar. 24th, 2008 10:01 pm (UTC) | | Parent | Reply

[info]thefacelessevil

HA! And I look at your IJ, and I'm somehow suprised to see who you were on LJ.

And weren't you the one who wanted to bury the hatchet?

Great job of that.
Posted on Mar. 24th, 2008 10:34 pm (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]tamashitoshiro

You misunderstand me. I only apologized for the times I unfairly baited you and behaved boorishly. I still think you're a troll and a twit, but I shouldn't behave like a child either.
Posted on Mar. 25th, 2008 12:23 am (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]thefacelessevil

In that case - Apology unaccepted.
Posted on Mar. 25th, 2008 12:52 am (UTC) | | Parent | Reply