[info]amenosakura in [info]07refugees

Seems like fandom is starting to turn on itself.

A friend of mine recently posted an entry in their LJ that I think everyone needs to be told about.

http://dejana.livejournal.com/152580.html

Posted on Jul. 21st, 2008 at 09:33 pm | | Leave a comment | Add to Memories | Tell a Friend

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[info]lady_ganesh

Do you say the same thing about rape victims who wear short skirts? I'm just curious.

(And yeah, that was an exaggeration, but I really don't think 'well, she was asking for it' is an excuse for this level of bullshit.)
Posted on Jul. 26th, 2008 08:10 pm (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]cat_mcdougall

That's a vulgar and completely inaccurate representation.

I never said she was 'asking for it'. I pointed out that she was foolish to expect others to protect her privacy. It is her job to protect herself, and to not take unreasonable risks.

Rape is in a completely different category and as a rape survivor I find that deeply insulting.

Short skirts =/= putting personal details on the internet, where, apparently, most people can find them easily.

Posted on Jul. 26th, 2008 08:14 pm (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]lady_ganesh

You're right, it was a poor comparison and I apologize. I still don't think 'it's the Internet and so you shouldn't expect any privacy' holds much water as an argument, though. There's a community here-- one that eats its own fairly regularly, but a community nonetheless. I can't think of any case online where anyone's RL identity, no matter how 'open,' was outed without there being one hell of a hue and cry. Usually there's a lynch mob. When lynch mobs show up after you've done X, I think expecting very few, if any people, will do X is fairly reasonable.
Posted on Jul. 26th, 2008 08:18 pm (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]cat_mcdougall

I can see your side. However, I stand by my position that if you do not want to have RL and fandom connected, it is not unreasonable to expect you to keep them separate yourself.

I do not think that what was done was right. Quite the opposite. I think it was a horrid invasion of privacy and should be retracted and apologised for post-haste.

The thing that keeps tripping up the argument, though, is that several people here have stated that the information, if one travels in the 'correct circles' as it were, is easily found. IF that is true, and IF the wronged party was the one to put it out there, then she is, partially, to blame.
Posted on Jul. 26th, 2008 08:25 pm (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]lady_ganesh

I think there aren't many people maintaining that her identity was 'easily found' who don't, as it were, have a dog in this fight. (I know nothing about [info]spare_change but will point out she appears to be dogless.)

Because all this debate got me curious, I hit Google. Even with [info]astolat's real first name included as a search term, I only get FH as something that connects the two. Maybe if I ran in 'the right circles' I would have known-- I didn't share any fandoms with her-- but IMO it's hardly the 'open secret' many people are making it out to be, or it'd be...open.
Posted on Jul. 26th, 2008 08:32 pm (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]spare_change

Hey, thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt -- I appreciate it. Very rare in fandom! :D

(And no, I don't have a dog in this fight, except for maybe the fact that I've always been fanatical about fandom privacy and frustrated with people who are lackadaisical about it and then blame others for their own lack of discretion. As far as personal connections go, one of the people Laura outed is a friend of mine and while I was on friendly terms with Laura up to this point -- partially in the hope of getting her to change some of her policies on these issues -- I am not anymore.)

Anyway, I could link you to a public post (that I found using Google) where Astolat makes the connection to her real name explicit. But obviously emotions in fandom are running so high right now that this probably wouldn't be a good idea.

Thanks again.
Posted on Jul. 26th, 2008 11:27 pm (UTC) | | Parent | Reply