Livejournal recently suspended my accounts without reason and without explanation. I opened a support ticket about it but my questions are going ignored and they aren't responding to me. I've kept asking them about it in my ticket but I gave up. I can't understand it, I did nothing to deserve a suspension. I didn't think that debating with people and arguing were a bannable offense but I could be wrong. I don't know if someone kept flagging me or what. I wasn't the only person suspended that day either Maybe someone here can shed some light on the situation?
wolfsilveroak
It is VERY typical of LJ Admin to ban/perma delete THEN ask questions. That's what they did with StrikeThrough</strike> after all.
Lolita as an interest may very well have gotten her banned, as interests relating to that sort are now unsearchable, so it's possible that someone did flag her, and did get their friends to mass flag her as well, purely from that interest or because they hate the way she debated in the comms.
prettyparadox
woe, slippery slope
Livejournal should have their legal team look up Reno v. ACLU, Miller v. California. The law recognizes the difference between virtual and actual child pornography; namely, in actual child pornography, children are physically abused. That does not apply at all to Lolita, a book, an idea and protected speech. Plus under the "SLAPS test," Lolita certainly qualifies as Serious Literary value in this day and age.
wolfsilveroak
Re: woe, slippery slope
Given, again, their recent censoring of search terms, do you really think LJ Abuse/SUP really give 2 shits about protected speech?
While the LAW may recognise the obvious differences, LIVEJOURNAL DOES NOT. They have stated as much before as well, during StrikeThrough when Warriors for Innocence went on their rampage and managed to con 6a/LJ into their campaign.
All LiveJournal cares about is the bottom line and the money they get from their advertisers. They could give a rat's ass about whether or not our freedom of expression or freedom of speech or what have you are being impeded. They could care less about whether you are talking about a book or about sex. All they see is what they THINK the word could mean in THEIR world and to them, that's enough to get you banned, period.
prettyparadox
Re: woe, slippery slope
wolfsilveroak
Re: woe, slippery slope
I never said you equated LJ with the ACLU. I said that they don't care what you think about the book, only that THEY see it as a sex interest key word and have censored it accodingly. Their good intentions were the result of Warriors for Innocence declaring jihad essentially on LJ, whereupon LJ reacted in the only way they knew how too- by overreacting.
Yes, they have a right to whatever ToS they want. But we have the right to say, we want our money back that we paid in good faith, especially when that same shitty ToS is being disregarded BY that same provider.
LJ will NEVER be able to work their way out of this fiasco. It's too late for that.
prettyparadox
Re: woe, slippery slope
wolfsilveroak
Re: woe, slippery slope
Personally, I think we can make ourselves better heard by talking with our money. By not renewing accounts and by leaving.
And it's not just about fandom anymore. It's about anyone and everyone being affected by the recent changes they've brought about. It's gone way beyond fandom, and did so months ago.
prettyparadox
Re: woe, slippery slope
wolfsilveroak
Re: woe, slippery slope
Quite a few people on my friends list at LJ , have created IJs or GJs, but haven't fully left.
I don't think many will leave until something actually affects them directly. But there are quite a few who are not renewing their accounts, which takes at least a little money out of LJ/SUP's pockets.
broken_crystal
I saw something like that on one of their posts about the adult content flagging, like they don't really investigate something based on one flag but if they get a certain number of complaints then they automatically handle it as abuse.
wolfsilveroak
broken_crystal
Oh, wait... that's not anything new.
wolfsilveroak
Their response? Make it impossible to flag their own posts.
So I guess it's going to take people leaving and taking their money with them for LJ/SUP to realise that some changes were plain ignorant.
broken_crystal
I hope enough people stop paying for the service that it makes a difference and they notice something is going on.
heiko
Just asking, I will search for it myself when I have more time, but it only mentions acting on the flagged posts/accounts but it does not state directly that it will be suspended or somesuch. I merely assumed that flagging would lead to a higher rating (such as over 18).
broken_crystal
So it doesn't surprise me if LJ got sick of it and just made it so people couldn't flag the entry or did something to the people who were doing it.
I can't find the exact comment where someone from LJ support said that if they get a certain number of complaints then it will be handled as abuse. I just went to the links in my IE history and some of them went back to the main post so I think that comments have been deleted. Here are the other posts I saw about it:
http://community.livejournal.com/lj
http://community.livejournal.com/lj_pol
ciaan
ex_enamour175
That wouldn't surprise me.