[info]keieeeye in [info]07refugees

New Firefox article

music: Skunk Anansie: Secretly
Livejournal Tries Again to Placate Fans.


Meanwhile, [info]elaboration has been un-bolded....

"However, after extensive review of our policies we have come to the same conclusion as you have, as well as many of our site's members: that it was not fair to suspend your account without warning in this case, as the subjects depicted were fictional and the art itself was a drawing rather than a photograph, meaning that no actual children were harmed in the creation of this image. We have decided to alter this policy in the future so that warnings will be issued to those posting images that are in violation of LiveJournal's standards for appropriate content."


...and there's discussion about law enforcement getting involved.
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Posted on Aug. 15th, 2007 at 10:38 am | | Leave a comment | Add to Memories | Tell a Friend

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[info]p_zeitgeist

. . . and the Firefox article links approvingly, yet again, to that flawed and incorrect-on-the-law "Terrible Secret of Livejournal" article. With no mention at all of the fact that there might be some issues with it.

I'm not sure I can bear the thought of going in and explaining what's wrong with that article to one more person/forum. It's beginning to feel like trying to sweep the sand off a beach: 'If seven maids, with seven mops, would sweep for seven years/Do you suppose,' the Walrus said, 'that they could get it clear?'/'I doubt it,' said the Carpenter, and shed a bitter tear.

I may need to back slowly away, pretend I haven't seen it, and hope somebody else deals with it before I look at the article again.
Posted on Aug. 14th, 2007 11:33 pm (UTC) | | Thread | Reply

[info]keieeeye

Oh god, I know. I've been going around pointing out that contrary to what the silly teenage fangirls may lead people to believe, a great deal of fandom do actually know most of the legal issues relating to their hobbies. Because, you know, they have brains and are interested in things related to their interests? Which is why when people like Anne Rice and Anne McCaffrey say "no fanfic, please", they obligingly write no fanfic.
Posted on Aug. 14th, 2007 11:36 pm (UTC) | | Parent | Reply

[info]doneril

That article makes me head/desk. Partially because he bitches about the same problem he's recreating in his article and partially because in the comments he admits he isn't following US law and everyone looking at it is assuming he is.
Posted on Aug. 15th, 2007 12:18 am (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]keieeeye

And even if it was accurate, it's just so annoyingly condescending.
Posted on Aug. 15th, 2007 12:20 am (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]doneril

This is very true. (I'm hardly a lawyer, but I am an English student and was thus angrily dissecting his article as I read it in retaliation. When I was reading the comments and saw that it wasn't accurate, I wanted to scream.)

I'm rather tired of pointing out that he's writing the article as if 6A was based in Ottawa rather than California. People can't read. Or maybe they can't read any further than, "Ooh, more gasoline for this already raging fire."
Posted on Aug. 15th, 2007 12:32 am (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]p_zeitgeist

Well, and it hasn't helped that synocdochic over on LJ, who used to work for the company and has generally been a reasonable and reliable voice, has gone around telling everyone that it's a great article and he's saying things people should listen to. What she's had to say strongly suggests to me that a lot of LJ's staff don't entirely understand how the law works, either. They're tech people, and there's no reason they should understand it -- it's complex and technical, and the law works in ways that I suspect are antithetical to the mindset you need to write good code -- but it would be nice if they stopped with the loud perpetuation of misinformation. Or at least said, "This is how it looks to us from our side," rather than, "This is what the law is, stop arguing, !!111eleventyone!!"
Posted on Aug. 15th, 2007 03:15 pm (UTC) | | Parent | Reply

[info]rubyfruit_pixie

That's basically why I stopped reading that article. I should've known not to read it from the title.
Posted on Aug. 15th, 2007 12:36 am (UTC) | | Parent | Reply

[info]nvr_brkn

You could comment on the author's LJ (or even in their article) and basically point them to the thread that you made posting that article, and tell her that she needs to read the comments about it.

Or contact her (him?) and just copy/paste what you said in that post about the website being inaccurate, see comments? Seems to have minimal amount of stress.

I don't feel like doing this tonight, but if you want me to, I can contact her tomorrow? (note : the assuming of 'her' isn't meant to be sexist, it's just that women outnumber men on the Internets when it comes to social websites).
Posted on Aug. 15th, 2007 12:25 am (UTC) | | Parent | Thread | Reply

[info]p_zeitgeist

You're right, the logical thing to do is just to point her to one of the threads where the discussion already exists, rather than re-launching it in yet another venue. And it probably is worth doing, inasmuch as she's been writing a whole series of articles about the situation, and the misinformation will only become more deeply embedded in people's general understanding of what's going on if she goes on thinking that Mr. Terrible Secret has it right.

I just wish her blog wasn't using that damned character-recognition challenge to screen spambots out. My browser hates that software; I always need to launch a backup, less-safe browser and work from it instead of from Firefox for it to work at all. Which seems ironic, given that it's Firefox News we're dealing with here.
Posted on Aug. 15th, 2007 03:07 pm (UTC) | | Parent | Reply

[info]stewardess

People's willingness to believe the illogical may depend on their prejudices.

It's not logical to claim, as Mark did, that *poof* all of a sudden the fanfiction and fanart people have been creating and sharing for forty years is illegal and child pornography. He can't back it up with case rulings or legislation, which means he made it up.

The people buying "omigod fanfiction is illegal and child pornography!" have been influenced by the recent hysteria about sex offenders on the Internet, I think. Warriors for Innocence is not the only group spreading the hysteria, and Six Apart is not the only business to buy into it.

You may sweep sand for an eternity and not get through to some people.

Fen buying into the hysteria is one of the ugliest consequences of this mess. It's why I left LiveJournal.
Posted on Aug. 15th, 2007 04:41 am (UTC) | | Parent | Reply