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Hank McCoy ([info]starsandgarters) wrote in [info]incompletedata,
@ 2017-07-14 14:27:00

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People of the Wittgenstein,

Hopefully many of you may remember the post that Sharon Carter (the elder) made in the aftermath of the Circus riot about our civic responsibilities. In the two weeks since we have been back at the compound, a small group of us have been stationed in the library, working on drafting a document assuring and defining our rights as citizens (not merely specimens) of this Wittgenstein collective.

We affirm, in brief: a right to assembly and self governance, a right to freedom from violence, discrimination or harassment, a right to freedom of speech, a right to property, and a right to freedom from degrading conditions, and an obligation to assuring a minimum standard of care and safety for all who are brought here. We maintain the sanctity of life for all specimens as our highest primary objective.

We propose a representative democracy comprised of a federation of "Districts" comprised of at least five people. This allows everyone's primary points of contact to be largely those with whom they would interact in any case, however, it also creates both a Wittgenstein Council and Jury comprised of elected representatives from each District which can address concerns that face the entire group, see to impartial, empathetic handling of specimen-on-specimen crime.

Finally, while at present we have the capacity to negotiate only amongst ourselves, it is our hope that success in this endeavor may give us some collective bargaining power with our scientists.

In any case, we have drafted a preliminary Constitution based on a variety of national Constitutions as well as drawing heavily from Prisoners' Rights theory, but it is only a preliminary document. We would like to open this up to all specimens for comment, suggestion, and revision in the interest of fairness and to capitalize on the assembled collective political expertise here.

Yours sincerely
Hank McCoy
Sharon Carter
Steve Rogers
Charles Xavier



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[info]professorwheels
2017-07-14 08:01 pm UTC (link)
People tend to appreciate when one does so.

Hopefully in time it will be proven that it shall be.

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[info]rocinante
2017-07-14 08:57 pm UTC (link)
Since you're the only one in this pile-on not talking down to me, I'll say this to you: this was done covertly without the best interests of everyone at heart and the reason I'm agreeing to it is so that I can work within its confines to protect the little guys from the powered and populated factions. I may not have your powers or your numbers but I do have a voice and I intend to use it.

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[info]professorwheels
2017-07-14 09:44 pm UTC (link)
We have very different definitions of what covertly means. This was created in the open, in a room that was easily accessed by all and once a draft was created, shown to everyone to ratify. No one is attempting to stifle your voice. If anything we are working to bolster it.

Seeing this as an us vs them never works well in the long run.

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[info]rocinante
2017-07-14 09:50 pm UTC (link)
There was one public post about it. If there were other discussions, the rest of us weren't privy to them. And, yes, it was held in an open environment, but no one, other than those in privileged groups, knew what was being drafted. Would it have killed you to say 'this is what we're doing and where we're doing it, stop by if you have any thoughts'?

I'm not trying to be antagonistic. I'm trying to protect the people I care about.

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[info]professorwheels
2017-07-14 09:56 pm UTC (link)
If such an announcement was made I can guarantee you that nothing would have ever been written. As stated before you cannot draft the beginnings of such a document with more than a few people. Nothing gets done. What precisely do you think would have happened if we had opened it up to everyone at the beginning? That only those who have an interest in establishing some sort of governance, of working together to ensure we all have a voice would have attended? I can assure you that such a thing wouldn't have happened, Captain Holden.

Yes, you are focusing on you and a few others. We're focusing on the community at large, wishing to protect all of us.

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[info]rocinante
2017-07-14 10:00 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad you agree that it was done covertly and it's also good to know that it was done that way intentionally. It's also interesting that you used the word ratify above. Ratification usually happens at the end, when a document is finalized. I thought we were supposed to be giving our opinions and making changes?

I'm sorry, I just don't buy that, not with the way this was handled.

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[info]professorwheels
2017-07-14 10:25 pm UTC (link)
You are supposed to be doing so. And you'll note that we're taking them all and will be adding to the document.

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