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Hank McCoy ([info]starsandgarters) wrote in [info]incompletedata,
@ 2017-07-14 14:27:00

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People of the Wittgenstein,

Hopefully many of you may remember the post that Sharon Carter (the elder) made in the aftermath of the Circus riot about our civic responsibilities. In the two weeks since we have been back at the compound, a small group of us have been stationed in the library, working on drafting a document assuring and defining our rights as citizens (not merely specimens) of this Wittgenstein collective.

We affirm, in brief: a right to assembly and self governance, a right to freedom from violence, discrimination or harassment, a right to freedom of speech, a right to property, and a right to freedom from degrading conditions, and an obligation to assuring a minimum standard of care and safety for all who are brought here. We maintain the sanctity of life for all specimens as our highest primary objective.

We propose a representative democracy comprised of a federation of "Districts" comprised of at least five people. This allows everyone's primary points of contact to be largely those with whom they would interact in any case, however, it also creates both a Wittgenstein Council and Jury comprised of elected representatives from each District which can address concerns that face the entire group, see to impartial, empathetic handling of specimen-on-specimen crime.

Finally, while at present we have the capacity to negotiate only amongst ourselves, it is our hope that success in this endeavor may give us some collective bargaining power with our scientists.

In any case, we have drafted a preliminary Constitution based on a variety of national Constitutions as well as drawing heavily from Prisoners' Rights theory, but it is only a preliminary document. We would like to open this up to all specimens for comment, suggestion, and revision in the interest of fairness and to capitalize on the assembled collective political expertise here.

Yours sincerely
Hank McCoy
Sharon Carter
Steve Rogers
Charles Xavier



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[info]starsandgarters
2017-07-14 06:57 pm UTC (link)
The knee jerk reaction is of course, easiest.

However, I will say that we would not even be in the position of drafting a Constitution if you had been able to contain your violent urges. You, of all people here, might be one of the most likely to benefit from due process as opposed to unfettered mob justice.

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[info]jedikiller
2017-07-14 06:59 pm UTC (link)
Again, I was attacked and fought back to defend myself.

I'm a Sith Lord. I'm above the law.

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[info]starsandgarters
2017-07-14 07:04 pm UTC (link)
Dismemberment typically goes beyond "self defense." However, ignoring that, your attitude since really suggests it's only a matter of time before you injure someone else.

You're not a Sith Lord here. You're a prisoner like everyone else that makes us all equal whether we're a child, president, or Pope. Without a society the only identity we have here is "captive"

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[info]jedikiller
2017-07-14 07:07 pm UTC (link)
What have I done since then? Seriously, I'm blanking, because I've been behaving.

If I have the power of a Sith Lord, I am a Sith Lord. If I don't have the power, I'm still Lord Ren of the First Order and am above the law. You can't hold me down and force me to sign your shitty little attempt at controlling us. It's simply not going to happen.

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[info]starsandgarters
2017-07-14 07:15 pm UTC (link)
Well less than 24 hours after you said it was "fun" and you wanted to do it again.

If you would read, there is an option for voluntarily leaving the Collective.
However. It is not a power grab, but an attempt to organize a society in the interest of group protection and well-being. We are taking amendments and suggestions and it is within anyone's power to suggest them.

Unless you are planning to hurt people or steal from them, there is no disadvantage to agreeing to respect other peoples' rights because they in turn agree to respect yours.

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[info]jedikiller
2017-07-14 07:19 pm UTC (link)
Because it was fun. I'm not sure where you're going with that.

I'm not going to voluntarily leave because I'm not going to join. Feel free to talk with pretty words while you attempt to seize control but I'm not going to be swayed.

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[info]starsandgarters
2017-07-14 09:23 pm UTC (link)
That dismembering people is not the sort of fun our group can withstand--even if they have a healing factor.

There is no "seizing control" of a small democratic republic. Power is spread out to, at this point, about one quarter of the assembled people here in one way or another and large changes aren't effected without even broader support. While we can certainly get blocs within that, a system of checks and balances and a duty back to those one represents serve to temper any individual actor or would be tyrant.

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[info]jedikiller
2017-07-14 11:05 pm UTC (link)
Deadpool enjoyed it. You can even ask him.

Hotel has said that my inclusion in this is mandatory. I disagree with him, of course, but based on the premise that I am included in this shit show, please take this as my formal notice of voluntary withdrawal as per Article B, Section Three, Number One.

Enjoy your power trip.

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[info]snipps
2017-07-14 07:05 pm UTC (link)
No one is above the law.

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[info]jedikiller
2017-07-14 07:08 pm UTC (link)
I am.

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[info]snipps
2017-07-14 07:09 pm UTC (link)
You're not. You're not even a Sith Lord yet. I've seen Sith Lords, and you have no control over yourself at all.

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[info]jedikiller
2017-07-14 07:10 pm UTC (link)
That's nice. Go bother someone else.

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[info]snipps
2017-07-14 07:11 pm UTC (link)
As if that could get me to go away. Your grandfather would be ashamed of how childish you act.

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Ahsoka / Leia
[info]another
2017-07-14 07:15 pm UTC (link)
His grandfather isn't the only one.

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ahsoka/leia.
[info]snipps
2017-07-14 07:19 pm UTC (link)
Anakin was no stranger to being out of control of his emotions, but there were usually very good reasons for it. His padawan was captured. His Master had been captured. People were being held in slavery.

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ahsoka/leia.
[info]another
2017-07-14 07:23 pm UTC (link)
This is nothing beyond petulance.

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ahsoka/leia. - [info]snipps, 2017-07-14 07:26 pm UTC
Ahsoka/leia. - [info]another, 2017-07-14 09:38 pm UTC
ahsoka/leia. - [info]snipps, 2017-07-15 01:42 am UTC
ahsoka/leia. - [info]another, 2017-07-15 04:03 am UTC

[info]jedikiller
2017-07-14 07:16 pm UTC (link)
Again, that's nice, go bother someone else. I have no patience for the insignificant.

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[info]snipps
2017-07-14 07:19 pm UTC (link)
So that's what this is about. You feel insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

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[info]jedikiller
2017-07-14 07:20 pm UTC (link)
That's a bit of a reach. Do you think you can psychoanalyze me or something?

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(no subject) - [info]snipps, 2017-07-14 07:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jedikiller, 2017-07-14 07:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snipps, 2017-07-14 07:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jedikiller, 2017-07-14 07:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snipps, 2017-07-14 07:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jedikiller, 2017-07-14 07:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snipps, 2017-07-14 07:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jedikiller, 2017-07-14 07:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snipps, 2017-07-14 07:37 pm UTC
ahsoka/bail.
[info]bailorgana
2017-07-15 03:41 pm UTC (link)
And I can't even begin to speculate how Padme would feel.

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[info]thewittgenstein
2017-07-14 07:13 pm UTC (link)
If you're so above the law, why did you take a walk with the rest of Hotel?

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[info]jedikiller
2017-07-14 07:17 pm UTC (link)
None of us, apparently, much to my chagrin, are immune to the powers of our captors. But I'm not allowing fellow captives to control me.

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[info]thewittgenstein
2017-07-14 07:21 pm UTC (link)
That's a great suggestion, actually. Thanks, Kylo Ren.

Making this constitution mandatory for everyone in your block is an idea so good, I wish I'd thought of it first.

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[info]jedikiller
2017-07-14 07:22 pm UTC (link)
Still won't sign it. Feel free to punish me, I'll probably find it fun.

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[info]thewittgenstein
2017-07-14 07:25 pm UTC (link)
Did you read it? Because no one asked you to sign it.

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(no subject) - [info]jedikiller, 2017-07-14 07:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]thewittgenstein, 2017-07-14 07:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jedikiller, 2017-07-14 07:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]thewittgenstein, 2017-07-14 07:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jedikiller, 2017-07-14 07:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]thewittgenstein, 2017-07-14 07:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jedikiller, 2017-07-14 07:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]thewittgenstein, 2017-07-14 07:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jedikiller, 2017-07-14 07:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]therearewolves, 2017-07-14 07:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jedikiller, 2017-07-14 07:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]therearewolves, 2017-07-14 07:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jedikiller, 2017-07-14 07:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]therearewolves, 2017-07-14 07:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jedikiller, 2017-07-14 07:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aintalady, 2017-07-14 07:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]therearewolves, 2017-07-14 07:56 pm UTC
Hotel [Scientist] - [info]phasmic, 2017-07-14 07:28 pm UTC

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