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jenny is not a monkey... or a child ([info]ilovetherunning) wrote in [info]colligo_network,
@ 2011-08-31 12:12:00

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Entry tags:edward morra, idris, jenny, kate tesla, molly suresh, nikola tesla, parker, the doctor (11), the doctor (metacrisis), zoe tesla

I enjoy running as much as the next girl, course I do, but this has gone far enough. The next one of these savages that tries to shoot me, hit me, or chase me from the streets is going to wish they hadn't. I might do my very best to avoid violence but I've certainly no objections to self-defence.

My only real issue is that I don't understand why they've so much hostility but it's quickly reaching the point that I don't care. You can't help someone if they won't let you, yeah?



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[info]stoleatimelord
2011-08-31 07:30 pm UTC (link)
Oh, yes, because violence will solve more violence. Tell me. When has that ever worked through out any history?

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[info]redwhiteandblue
2011-08-31 09:31 pm UTC (link)
Violence may not always be the right answer, but I can think of plenty of times when it was necessary. If you back down and run away from a bully, you'll always be running. If you stand up and fight, especially for the right cause, then eventually they see that they can't just bully you into giving them what they want.

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[info]ilovetherunning
2011-08-31 09:53 pm UTC (link)
Thank you.

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[info]redwhiteandblue
2011-08-31 09:55 pm UTC (link)
You're welcome, miss. I don't like to get involved in other people's conversations, but I just didn't agree with what was being said.

Steve Rogers.

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[info]ilovetherunning
2011-08-31 10:46 pm UTC (link)
You aren't the only one who doesn't agree.

Nice to meet you, Steve! I'm Jenny.

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[info]redwhiteandblue
2011-08-31 11:47 pm UTC (link)
I'm seeing that. It's not like anyone is attacking the locals without provocation, but we should defend ourselves and others.

It's nice to meet you too, Jenny.

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[info]stoleatimelord
2011-08-31 10:05 pm UTC (link)
And yet we are the invaders to their home. Or have we forgotten this, Captain?

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[info]iwasblind
2011-08-31 10:52 pm UTC (link)
Actually, we're the captives in their home if you want to be technical. We can't leave and, I don't know about you, but I didn't ask to come here. Which makes them being angry with us a bit ridiculous, if you really think about it. Not to mention we haven't caused them any harm and have, in fact, done our best to try to help them when other threats have presented themselves.

No, this anger of theirs is nothing more than pure, unadulterated prejudice. And prejudice is not something you can logic away nor justify because it has no basis in either of those categories. It simply exists, typically as a pre-programmed response due to heavy influence of those who have large impact on the individual mixed with a dash of external conflict. Now going with that, if there is something that has caused these people to suddenly start hating us for whatever the reason, I frankly don't see how you can then assume that simply not taking action is going to fix it. If nothing else, this place has shown those of us stuck here time and again that ignoring the problem only acerbates it.

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[info]stoleatimelord
2011-08-31 11:05 pm UTC (link)
Ah, yes, we are captives but do they truly see it like that? I imagine from their perspective we are the annoying invaders who won't simply go away.

There is other actions as opposed to force meeting force. You are addressing a being who can see all of time and space and is normally everywhere and anywhere in every second in every moment. I have seen empires fall and kingdoms rise in the blink of an eye.

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[info]iwasblind
2011-08-31 11:13 pm UTC (link)
Considering they have no problem referring to their benevolent 'Collector' whenever prompted and, up until very recently paid very little attention to our comings and goings, I would say the facts prove you wrong on that one. We haven't invaded and this isn't a problem that has slowly built up steam. Until a few weeks ago they were perfectly content co-habiting with us. Now, in a city that has a history of doing things without rhyme or reason, I find it very short-sighted to simply assume there is suddenly a logical one backing these recent changes. And I think it's equally safe to say that I'm not alone in that assessment.

That's all well and good but who or what you are matters very little to me. If anything it makes me wonder why you, of all creatures, would be so willing to condemn others for actions simply because your personal beliefs don't align with them. I would expect better, frankly.

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(no subject) - [info]stoleatimelord, 2011-09-01 02:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iwasblind, 2011-09-01 02:24 am UTC
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[info]redwhiteandblue
2011-08-31 11:46 pm UTC (link)
We didn't choose to come here, ma'am. If we had, that might be a different situation. But we were brought here by a force outside our control. We weren't asked. We didn't give our consent. And while we've been here, we've done our best to be functioning members of society. There is no reason for them to have such a sudden, violent reaction. That points to some sort of external cause. I'm not saying we need to go attacking locals, but there's no cause not to defend ourselves.

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[info]stoleatimelord
2011-09-01 02:03 am UTC (link)
No reason that we know of. We lack a great deal of knowledge when it comes to the matters of this city, aren't we? People can be aged and changed at a wave of a hand. People can come and leave at the drop of a penny. There could be a very good explanation as to why they are being violent, and we simply do not know because we are not even allowed inside a library in which we first arrive in.

I did not say that defending yourself was a bad strategy at all, Captain. I said that violence against violence will not solve anything. Because there are those who will strike out with violence and it will escalate. You should know that better than most.

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[info]inafivepoundbag
2011-09-01 03:07 am UTC (link)
I can get inside the library. It's not hard if you know what you're doing.

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[info]ilovetherunning
2011-08-31 09:52 pm UTC (link)
Have you any better ideas? There are people in this city who need protection, small children who are being tormented and chased and treated like rubbish simply for not being from this planet. So until you've a better idea on how to stop this and help them, I'll stick with defending myself and those who can't.

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[info]stoleatimelord
2011-08-31 10:05 pm UTC (link)
Then protect the children. That does not mean you must start throwing guns and things at them.

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[info]ilovetherunning
2011-08-31 10:45 pm UTC (link)
Oi! Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said I was going to do any such thing. I said I've no objection to self defence and I've no objection to defence of others. And I don't see you offering any suggestions, just judging those who have. When has that ever worked throughout history?

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[info]stoleatimelord
2011-08-31 11:00 pm UTC (link)
I'm a time machine. I do not get to do anything but stand on the side and watch it all fall out.

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[info]ilovetherunning
2011-08-31 11:15 pm UTC (link)
So you go do that and leave me to it, then. I'm done explaining myself to someone I never even met before I found myself in this place. I've people to help because that is what needs to be done.

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(no subject) - [info]stoleatimelord, 2011-09-01 02:04 am UTC

[info]oncemighty
2011-08-31 09:56 pm UTC (link)
Depends on what you're trying to achieve.

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[info]stoleatimelord
2011-08-31 10:06 pm UTC (link)
Is it truly best to take advice from you, I wonder.

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[info]oncemighty
2011-08-31 10:09 pm UTC (link)
My advice is always remarkable, my dear. Whatever would make you think it would be less than?

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[info]stoleatimelord
2011-08-31 10:36 pm UTC (link)
Because you are Nikola Tesla.

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[info]quantumkid
2011-09-01 01:18 am UTC (link)
You're really the Nikola Tesla? Really really?

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[info]humanmapquest
2011-09-01 09:31 am UTC (link)
I agree. Responding to violence with violence, even if it seems fine in this instance, only helps provide justification for why the locals seem to dislike us so much in the first place.

With that being said, though, obviously sitting back and doing nothing isn't an option either. Which means some sort of middle ground needs to be found. I just don't know what that might be.

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[info]stoleatimelord
2011-09-01 07:16 pm UTC (link)
Of course. I never said not to defend ones self. Simply that there should be another reaction other than violence. Always the sensible one, Molly, aren't you?

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