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Kenzi Malikov - friend, warrior, heart. ([info]ex_the_kenzi392) wrote in [info]wariscomingcom,
@ 2013-04-05 00:03:00

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Entry tags:belle french, bobby singer, castiel, emma swan, ginger, grace, henry swan, jo harvelle-shurley, katherine pierce, kenzi, kon-el/superboy, regina mills, ruby winchester, ruby/red ridinghood, sheriff graham/huntsman, spike

Filtered against evil bitches and Crowley.
For safety purposes that have nothing to do with me wanting to meet all the fairy tale peeps that are here, I'm going to need everyone from Storybrooke to check into this post.

And a question! Crowley. On Team No Endy of the World or not? Legit? Not legit? What's the dealio?



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[info]gaveuphisheart
2013-04-08 02:30 pm UTC (link)
Not all good guys are good, or bad guys bad. But the woman who did that to me? Doesn't get my forgiveness. Want to know why she did that to me? Because I didn't murder her stepdaughter. So for not murdering for her, I get to be enslaved, raped, have my memories destroyed, and then decades later, killed when I start to remember who I really was. And you're not writing off a woman like that? Seriously?

The 'Evil' Filter purely filters out those who work for Lucifer directly. Demons like Crowley, who makes deals that sends people to hell, or sorceresses like Maleficent who tried to curse us all and then turned into a giant dragon and tried to burn the city down, or Mr Dark who had a Carnival which trapped people in and fed on their emotions until they were zombies. Not to mention Moriarty They need extra filtering.

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[info]lost_succubi
2013-04-08 02:37 pm UTC (link)
No, I'm not writing her off. You want to fine, that's your right. She hurt you she hurt people you love, fine. You want revenge so want to make sure no one ever trusts her no matter what? Fine get your kicks in.

The only people I'm writing off just yet are those that I can't trust. Those that make shit personal to the point of destroying others. They want to change that, then they have that right too. Just like you have the right to not forgive. I just don't believe not forgiving means having to be an asshat about things the rest of my life.

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[info]gaveuphisheart
2013-04-08 02:42 pm UTC (link)
Asshat? Seriously? You think I'm being an asshat by being honest about what she did to me?

If you're the kind of person who can be friends with a mass murdering, mind fucking, rapist, then I think perhaps it's best if we don't do the trust thing. Because really, someone who thinks that a bitch like Regina is redeemable in any way isn't someone I'm going to trust around the people I love.

Though I do enjoy the fact I can love again. That was the other side effect of her little heart ripping trick. Without a heart, I was unable to feel.

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[info]lost_succubi
2013-04-08 02:45 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, you, asshat. You and anyone that decides that they are somehow better than those they blame for hurting them when they are lashing out as well. Hypocrite also comes to mind.

Friends with mass murdering mind fucking rapists. Try related to. Born from. possibly just the same I never said you couldn't decide not to forgive her, or even steer clear. what I don't get is your decision that because of something that happened to you, no one else, ever, anywhere, could make their own decisions on who to trust.

In case it's not clear enough, I decide for myself who to trust, and I don't pick sides.

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[info]gaveuphisheart
2013-04-08 02:48 pm UTC (link)
Lashing out is as bad as rape and murder in your book.

Just so we're clear here, that's what you're saying. Lashing out at the person who raped and murdered you is as bad as the acts themselves.

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[info]lost_succubi
2013-04-08 02:54 pm UTC (link)
No, but thanks for being an asshat AND stubborn.

Let me try and get the points out.

1. She did bad bad things to you.
2. She did bad bad things to people you care about.
3. No one debates that she's trying to be a better person now.

So you don't forgive her. DON'T. You don't trust her. DON'T. You want to tell everyone over and over that they can't trust her either. Not. Your. Call.

If you pay attention, all I was saying was that my friend, who I know isn't one to jump on a hate bandwagon just because everyone else is on it, should chill because we dont' know the whole story.

Guess what? Still don't. We know your side. We know some blonde's side. Also know that she's trying. If she is, then I reserve the right to see whether or not I trust her for myself. You all are so bound up in your own shit you don't even think about what other people's shit might be.

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[info]gaveuphisheart
2013-04-08 02:58 pm UTC (link)
Oh, I'm debating that she's trying to be a better person now. I don't believe for a second she is. First chance she got here, she wished for her magic back. She has broken repeated promises to the kid who's been her toy for the past eleven years, a kid who is far far more forgiving than anyone should be.

You want to know the story? Sunday nights on ABC. You'll see that me, Emma, Belle, Ruby, we're all telling the truth about who and what she is.

I've been here for eight months and I've yet to see any proof that she is doing a damn thing to be a better person. I have seen proof that she's the selfish bitch she's always been.

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[info]lost_succubi
2013-04-08 03:00 pm UTC (link)
You can all stop that shit right now. I am NOT watching people's lives like they are some sort of damn soap opera.

Look, you either dont' see that there's a shred of good in this woman or don't think it matters. If there's a shred of good in someone, I refuse to think it doesn't matter. Going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

You got your personal reasons, I got mine.

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[info]gaveuphisheart
2013-04-08 03:03 pm UTC (link)
Then don't tell us that we're not providing proof and more than our words. The proof is out there, it's your choice to ignore it.

No, there is no shred of good in her. Anyone who thinks there is is deluded and probably going to end up hurt by it.

When it happens to you, don't say you weren't warned.

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[info]loveishope
2013-04-08 02:59 pm UTC (link)
You ever been locked away for over two decades for no reason other than daring to fall in love with someone she wanted a pawn against?

I had never ever done anything to her. Nor had Graham. And yet you're going to tell me now that maybe she had a reason. Maybe she did, maybe she had a very tragic childhood. So did a lot of people that didn't turn out to be capable of the horrors she was

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[info]gaveuphisheart
2013-04-08 03:02 pm UTC (link)
Her mother was the demanding sort who tried to live her own ambitions through Regina. And her boyfriend was killed by said mother.

Apparently that's a reason to make an entire land of people suffer.

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[info]lost_succubi
2013-04-08 03:04 pm UTC (link)
Okay back up there. You want to go off on someone, I'm not the one to take it I dont' care what fucking story book you just waltzed out of.

No one said you deserved anything, or anyone that got hurt. You think the rest of us only get what we deserve? And I'm not answering your pointless question of "I can prove my life sucked more than yours" Unlike the people in this little chat, some of us just keep our shit to ourselves and don't need to spout it off to everyone we meet as an excuse to be an asshat.

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[info]loveishope
2013-04-08 03:06 pm UTC (link)
I'm not 'going off' at you. I'm simply pointing out what she did to me. You can take your time and get to know her on your own merit and when the dagger gets you in the back you can wonder why no one warned you.

I'm not proving anything. My life has had good in it, great things actually. But that doesn't dispute what she did to me. Its not a cry for pity, far from it.

Graham has every single reason possible to despise her and to assume she's lying about her redemption. As do I. So if we warn people off her, what of it?

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[info]lost_succubi
2013-04-08 03:10 pm UTC (link)
Look the one thing I can't stand is when people lie or keep secrets. So you want to tell people what happened, have at it. The extra bitter? Not needed. I've seen the so called good guys send their own people to death for things that weren't their fault and both good and bad think it's fine to hurt, kill and use as long as it's only lowly humans.

So yeah, making up my own mind, the whole, "Don't say we didn't warn you when you get stabbed in the back" is just petty. Please.

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[info]loveishope
2013-04-08 03:16 pm UTC (link)
Me too actually. But I think I'm allowed a little bitterness. I had just found love, true love, believe in it or not. Its real. And I was on my way back to him, to tell him, to fight for that love when Regina took me and locked me away. Because I was a pawn in case she ever needed one. No other reason. You won't watch that show, fine. Ask Regina. Ask her why she did that to me, or the vile things she did to Graham.

And what I said wasn't petty. Its true. She uses anyone and everything she can, you show her the slightest bit of trust and she'll turn it against you one day.

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[info]lost_succubi
2013-04-08 03:20 pm UTC (link)
Love? Just because I'm a, look I believe in love, and if you have a shot at it, take it. Some of us, don't get that chance before it's too late. There are ways to take away love and never get it back.

People, can twist, can break. Where they don't even realize what they are doing to other people. Even the people they actually care about. Like I said, it's personal for you, it's personal for me too. I just, can't believe that there's no hope for people if they want to change. If there's anything, anything at all good left in them.

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[info]loveishope
2013-04-08 03:40 pm UTC (link)
Sorry, no I do sort of default to thinking no one else believes in True Love. People do always tend to look confusedly at me when I describe it like that.

Look, I get it, more than most actually, I get that people can change. The man I love, he's done some things, in the past. He's still capable of a lot of evil. But since being here he's tried, he's really tried. He's done everything in his power to protect people.

Regina, I've never seen her try. So maybe its bias against her cause of what she did to me, but maybe she also just hasn't ever shown that she's doing anything other than throwing a pity party, making friends with people who don't know what she's done and having a quite good time actually.

If she wants to try, she has to actually try. All her talk of redemption, do you know she'd never once, not once even tried to tell me sorry?

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[info]lost_succubi
2013-04-08 03:53 pm UTC (link)
I can't say I believe in one true love and all, but yeah, I believe in love. Real love, that sacrifices literally everything.

Not to sound all devil's advocate or anything but, he has you. People change for the better when they have someone that sees that in them.

Seriously, I'm not all pro evil queen, and I get that saying sorry is a good start, but it's also harder to say then people realize. Especially when you mean it and know it's not nearly enough. I'm not rooting for her, or trusting her. I'm just, hoping for the best I guess. Kind of hoping that someone has a chance. If she does then my mother other people might too.

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[info]loveishope
2013-04-08 04:00 pm UTC (link)
That's what I have, and that's what she kept me from for decades, locked in a curse, locked away from him.

No, you're right, he does. But maybe I'm the reason he tries but the work still has to come from him, the choices come from him.

Saying it is hard, showing it though, showing she's changing. Graham's not wrong, its never been something we've seen.

I believe everyone has a chance. But I also, firmly believe they have to choose to take it.

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[info]lost_succubi
2013-04-08 04:23 pm UTC (link)
Hey not discounting his work and how hard it must be. Just, easier to see yourself as not a monster, when someone else sees it too.

Not to be rude but, maybe you don't want to see it? Once you've been burned by someone it's hard to see anything else. Well that and I know if I'm trying to change it's probably easier to do that around people that aren't going to notice every slip up.

Damn, neutral is definitely easier.

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[info]loveishope
2013-04-09 08:57 am UTC (link)
I know. And its true that I influence that, and maybe even that I don't want to see what she terms as redemption.

But its not just me that doesn't see anything other than false words and half hearted attempts to feel better about herself

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[info]lost_succubi
2013-04-09 01:55 pm UTC (link)
And you know, honestly, your choice. I guess, personally? I have so few people I can trust that even knowing all but one of them has at some point lied, or used me, I tend to give them another chance. It's either that or have no one and trust me, having no one when you aren't aligned is not a good idea.

Even if you do see it and you don't accept it that's your right. I just don't get being so bitter about it that you can't allow someone else to make up their own mind. History is hard to get over, but some of us are new and so have no history. With anyone. I tend to think worse of the person refusing to let me make up my own mind than the person that has a bad history.

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