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h. combeferre ([info]eclairage) wrote in [info]thedoorway,
@ 2013-06-21 13:54:00

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Entry tags:!network post, clara oswald, combeferre, dorian gray, enjolras, finnick odair, lady door, lisbeth salander, steve rogers / captain america (616), tony stark / iron man (616)

I understand that I don't have the touchstones (in this world) to recognise or respond to potential threats in the way that some of the residents of this tower -- particularly if these residents have 'super powers' and are accustomed to battling overblown rhetoric and violent imagery with any regularity -- but I do know a terrorist when I see one. I do understand what it means to be a connoisseur of fear and to have such self-aggrandised delusions regarding oneself that they overtake all of the airwaves ...

But -- hear me out, here.

There is a point. As much as I rail against being called a lamb, there is a purpose to making this society think on its sins. I would hazard to say that this person will get there eventually. I hope it's sooner rather than later.

Still and yet. We've every reason to listen.

Perhaps.



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[info]doriangray
2013-06-21 06:05 pm UTC (link)
There is never any point to thinking on your sins.

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[info]eclairage
2013-06-21 06:06 pm UTC (link)
Why isn't there any point?

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[info]doriangray
2013-06-21 06:07 pm UTC (link)
Because something that's done can't be undone and guilt doesn't motivate.

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[info]eclairage
2013-06-21 06:12 pm UTC (link)
Perhaps if I had a magic paintbrush which distilled me at my most youthful and pleasant, I too would think that guilt did not motivate.

Since I don't - and since I would not, even if it were offered to me - let me say this. Guilt is one of the great conductors of our society, though I have often lamented that it ought to be a search for knowledge and enlightenment. Guilt drives forward motion.

Pick up a newspaper. You will see that I am right.

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(no subject) - [info]doriangray, 2013-06-21 06:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eclairage, 2013-06-21 06:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]doriangray, 2013-06-21 06:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eclairage, 2013-06-21 06:22 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]eclairage, 2013-06-21 06:24 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]eclairage, 2013-06-21 06:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]doriangray, 2013-06-21 06:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eclairage, 2013-06-21 06:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]doriangray, 2013-06-21 06:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eclairage, 2013-06-21 06:41 pm UTC

[info]tonystark
2013-06-21 06:18 pm UTC (link)
Doesn't it?

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(no subject) - [info]doriangray, 2013-06-21 06:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tonystark, 2013-06-21 06:24 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]tonystark, 2013-06-21 07:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]doriangray, 2013-06-21 07:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tonystark, 2013-06-21 11:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]doriangray, 2013-06-21 11:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tonystark, 2013-06-21 11:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]doriangray, 2013-06-22 05:10 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]doriangray, 2013-06-22 05:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tonystark, 2013-06-22 06:17 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]tonystark, 2013-06-22 06:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]doriangray, 2013-06-22 12:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tonystark, 2013-06-22 04:52 pm UTC
Tony. - [info]supposedtobe, 2013-06-21 11:34 pm UTC
Steve. - [info]tonystark, 2013-06-21 11:36 pm UTC
Tony. - [info]supposedtobe, 2013-06-21 11:37 pm UTC
Steve. - [info]tonystark, 2013-06-21 11:45 pm UTC
Tony. - [info]supposedtobe, 2013-06-22 12:33 am UTC
Steve. - [info]tonystark, 2013-06-22 12:47 am UTC
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Steve. - [info]tonystark, 2013-06-22 01:17 am UTC
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Steve. - [info]tonystark, 2013-06-22 01:21 am UTC
Tony. - [info]supposedtobe, 2013-06-22 01:23 am UTC
Steve. - [info]tonystark, 2013-06-22 01:32 am UTC
Tony. - [info]supposedtobe, 2013-06-22 01:36 am UTC
Steve. - [info]tonystark, 2013-06-22 01:42 am UTC
Tony. - [info]supposedtobe, 2013-06-22 01:44 am UTC
Steve. - [info]tonystark, 2013-06-22 01:51 am UTC
Tony. - [info]supposedtobe, 2013-06-22 01:57 am UTC
Steve. - [info]tonystark, 2013-06-22 02:08 am UTC
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Steve. - [info]tonystark, 2013-06-22 02:42 am UTC

[info]stun
2013-06-21 06:40 pm UTC (link)
With more sins?

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[info]eclairage
2013-06-21 06:41 pm UTC (link)
Excuse me?

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[info]stun
2013-06-21 06:43 pm UTC (link)
Terrorists usually commit more sins to make society reflect on old ones.

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[info]eclairage
2013-06-21 06:47 pm UTC (link)
Clearly I will have to keep the religious rhetoric out of my next network post. I am, however, not condoning any unlawful action on the part of this terrorist.

There is an intentionality in this lesson. Perhaps SHIELD understands but since they are just as shadowy (and have perhaps condoned as many atrocity as the terrorist named) as this broadcast, I haven't any idea.

And I'm suggesting that we critically analyse it.

[Lisbeth]
Could you hack all the airwaves like that?

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(no subject) - [info]stun, 2013-06-21 07:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eclairage, 2013-06-21 07:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]stun, 2013-06-21 08:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eclairage, 2013-06-21 08:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]stun, 2013-06-21 08:59 pm UTC
Henri/Lisbeth - [info]eclairage, 2013-06-21 09:01 pm UTC
Re: Henri/Lisbeth - [info]stun, 2013-06-21 09:16 pm UTC

[info]oswaldftw
2013-06-21 06:51 pm UTC (link)
Please don't take this wrong, but I'm genuinely curious. Are you this serious all of the time?

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[info]eclairage
2013-06-21 06:53 pm UTC (link)
Not always, no. But ... a majority? Yes.

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[info]oswaldftw
2013-06-21 06:57 pm UTC (link)
Oh dear, it sounds as if you need to get out and have some fun. Might I suggest Luna Park?

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[info]eclairage
2013-06-21 07:00 pm UTC (link)
What is this thing you call fun? I haven't any conceptual basis for fundamentally understanding it.

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[info]revolutionary
2013-06-21 07:16 pm UTC (link)
We do have every reason to listen.

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[info]eclairage
2013-06-21 07:21 pm UTC (link)
Remember when you were willing to kill Yes and if we did listen, perhaps there would not be such continued atrocities.

As it is -- you and I -- we would be terrorists.

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[info]revolutionary
2013-06-21 07:31 pm UTC (link)
Yes. It was la Terreur that coined the term, you know.

Terrorisme. Quand vous n'êtes pas d'accord, ils sont des terroristes -- mais -- lorsque vous êtes d'accord, nous sommes des révolutionnaires.

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[info]eclairage
2013-06-21 07:32 pm UTC (link)
Précisément.

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Enjolras | Combeferre - [info]eclairage, 2013-06-21 07:52 pm UTC
Enjolras | Combeferre - [info]revolutionary, 2013-06-21 08:12 pm UTC
Enjolras | Combeferre - [info]eclairage, 2013-06-21 08:23 pm UTC
Enjolras | Combeferre - [info]revolutionary, 2013-06-21 08:26 pm UTC
Enjolras | Combeferre - [info]eclairage, 2013-06-21 08:29 pm UTC
Enjolras | Combeferre - [info]revolutionary, 2013-06-21 08:36 pm UTC
Enjolras | Combeferre - [info]eclairage, 2013-06-21 08:37 pm UTC

[info]secrettrader
2013-06-21 07:36 pm UTC (link)
It reminded me of the things we used to do fighting the Capitol. We hijacked broadcasts just like that.




I'd like to think we weren't terrorists on most levels.

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[info]eclairage
2013-06-21 07:40 pm UTC (link)
It depends on perspective. To some, you were a terrorist just as me and my friends were terrorists.

The only thing I object to is being referred to as a lamb. Despite the discussion regarding sin above, I was not the firs to dip my toe into religious imagery. A man need only be a lamb once to understand that the taste for sacrifice goes sour ...

As Enjolras says, you are terrorists when you do not agree and revolutionaries when you do agree. It just depends on who wins. These massacres are truly heinous acts condoned by the side of 'good' ... I think whatever lesson this person would like us to learn is a terrible lesson.

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[info]secrettrader
2013-06-22 01:50 am UTC (link)
I suppose it's important to listen to everyone - even those who appear that they might be a hair's breadth from uh. Blowing something up. There are always two sides. One side may be brain-meltingly wrong, but at least if you listen you can understand the mechanics in place that produced such a point of view.

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[info]door
2013-06-21 08:10 pm UTC (link)
When people are afraid they don't often think, only act.

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[info]doriangray
2013-06-21 08:17 pm UTC (link)
Yes, well fear is an excellent motivator, isn't it?

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[info]door
2013-06-21 08:18 pm UTC (link)
Is it? Most people who MUST do something do not do it as well as if they'd like to. That hardly makes it excellent for anything except survival.

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(no subject) - [info]doriangray, 2013-06-21 08:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]door, 2013-06-21 08:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]doriangray, 2013-06-21 08:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]door, 2013-06-21 08:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]doriangray, 2013-06-21 08:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]door, 2013-06-21 08:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]doriangray, 2013-06-21 08:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]door, 2013-06-21 08:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]supposedtobe, 2013-06-21 09:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]door, 2013-06-21 09:11 pm UTC
Door. - [info]supposedtobe, 2013-06-21 09:13 pm UTC
Steve - [info]door, 2013-06-21 09:20 pm UTC
Door/Steve - [info]supposedtobe, 2013-06-21 10:02 pm UTC
Door/Steve - [info]door, 2013-06-21 10:03 pm UTC
Re: Door/Steve - [info]supposedtobe, 2013-06-21 10:16 pm UTC
Door/Steve - [info]door, 2013-06-21 10:19 pm UTC
Re: Door/Steve - [info]supposedtobe, 2013-06-21 10:30 pm UTC
Door/Steve - [info]door, 2013-06-21 10:41 pm UTC
Re: Door/Steve - [info]supposedtobe, 2013-06-21 10:55 pm UTC
Door/Steve - [info]door, 2013-06-21 11:09 pm UTC
Re: Door/Steve - [info]supposedtobe, 2013-06-21 11:25 pm UTC
Door/Steve - [info]door, 2013-06-21 11:32 pm UTC

[info]eclairage
2013-06-21 08:24 pm UTC (link)
The truth of your statement strikes to the core of me, madam.

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[info]door
2013-06-21 08:31 pm UTC (link)
I hope that we can act with some care.

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(no subject) - [info]eclairage, 2013-06-21 08:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]door, 2013-06-21 08:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eclairage, 2013-06-21 08:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]door, 2013-06-21 08:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eclairage, 2013-06-21 08:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]door, 2013-06-21 08:43 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]door, 2013-06-21 08:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eclairage, 2013-06-21 08:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]door, 2013-06-21 08:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eclairage, 2013-06-21 08:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]door, 2013-06-21 08:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eclairage, 2013-06-21 08:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]door, 2013-06-21 09:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eclairage, 2013-06-21 09:14 pm UTC


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