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connor baird is an (ungeist) wrote in doors,
@ 2012-09-15 23:15:00

Entry tags:

beast, huntress, john blake, nightcrawler, pepper potts, persian, rose red, thor

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[As 'Nightcrawler']

There is a vast community here, I see, of many types of people. I wish to know what you think about forgiveness. When it can be offered, that is, and what it means to give it. Whether it can help the person who forgives as well as the forgiven. I know what God says on this matter, but I would like to hear what man says, as well.

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	withpurpose 2012-09-16 04:26 am UTC (link)
	I would like to think that it is possible, but I've never been entirely sure of when it can be offered, or if it should be offered. Some acts are entirely unworthy of forgiveness. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	ungeist 2012-09-16 04:41 am UTC (link)
	And yet, the bible says that is not true. Any act confessed can be an act forgiven, so long as one truly regrets the act, no matter how heinous it might be. But it is not so to us, you think? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	withpurpose 2012-09-16 04:42 am UTC (link)
	Confession. Therein lies the problem. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ungeist 2012-09-16 04:48 am UTC (link)
	What problem is there in confessing? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	withpurpose 2012-09-16 04:49 am UTC (link)
	Confessing implies that one accepts that one acknowledges the wrongness of their actions. It's not an easy thing to do. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	ofmazandaran 2012-09-16 04:32 am UTC (link)
	It ~~doesn't happen~~ [ ... ] depends. Just like everything else. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	ungeist 2012-09-16 04:42 am UTC (link)
	You have no opinion, then. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ofmazandaran 2012-09-16 04:48 am UTC (link)
	I've got an opinion, and it's that it depends. You fuck up and want forgiveness for it, no, it's not warranted. You fuck up and spend half a lifetime trying to make up for it, then maybe. That sort of 'depends'. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ungeist 2012-09-16 04:53 am UTC (link)
	You must be a man who believes in moral grey, then. If the rules of morality move case by case, then how can you know where you stand? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	ex_roses104 2012-09-16 04:39 am UTC (link)
	[As Rose.] That's a bold move, beginning with such a question. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	ungeist 2012-09-16 04:47 am UTC (link)
	I did not intend it to be. I am simply curious to hear what others think. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ex_roses104 2012-09-16 04:50 am UTC (link)
	I'm not certain anyone truly forgives. Moves past, possibly, but not forgives. Begins to forget, possibly, but that's a different thing entirely. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ungeist 2012-09-16 04:54 am UTC (link)
	You do not think anyone is capable of letting go without moving past? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	agoodman 2012-09-16 04:44 am UTC (link)
	I absolutely believe in forgiving. I believe that if a person is truly sorry, they should be forgiven so that both people may grow and learn. To hold a grudge only hurts oneself. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	ungeist 2012-09-16 04:48 am UTC (link)
	That is a noble stance. Do you feel you could apply it in all cases, though? Even if a terrible crime was visited on you, or those you love? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	agoodman 2012-09-16 04:54 am UTC (link)
	Yes. If it was easy, would it really help? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ungeist 2012-09-16 04:56 am UTC (link)
	That is very true. I hope that you will never need to test this theory, mein freund. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	the_huntress 2012-09-16 04:56 am UTC (link)
	What's worth being forgiven for? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	ungeist 2012-09-16 04:57 am UTC (link)
	Do you mean to ask how terrible something must be before forgiveness should be looked for? I think that is a question between every person and their own heart. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	the_huntress 2012-09-16 05:30 am UTC (link)
	If you want forgiveness you shouldn't have done it in the first fucking place. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ungeist 2012-09-16 05:33 am UTC (link)
	You do not believe that people might make mistakes? Have you never done something you regretted? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	runs_the_show 2012-09-16 07:50 am UTC (link)
	I think you're talking about big things that need forgiving, not little things. It's hard. There's so many things to consider, a lot of hurt to get past. It's not easy. Not at all. Not for the big things. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	ungeist 2012-09-16 10:30 pm UTC (link)
	I agree. Such things will always be difficult, and will always change from person to person. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	runs_the_show 2012-09-16 10:31 pm UTC (link)
	How come you're asking about forgiveness? If it's okay to ask? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ungeist 2012-09-17 04:13 am UTC (link)
	It is okay. I only wished to know what others felt on the matter. It has been weighing heavy on my mind. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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