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Tweak says, "Gimme a T!"

drsevarius (drsevarius) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-09-04 14:44:00

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char: batgirl/oracle/barbara gordon, char: batman/bruce wayne, char: joker, char: robin/nightwing/dick grayson, char: starfire/koriand'r, creator: joe bennett, creator: marc andreyko

Dick and Babs: Awkward!

This is from Nightwing Annual #2 by Marc Andreyko and Joe Bennett

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	Re: all my opinion of course jlroberson 2009-09-05 01:19 am UTC (link)
	Alan Moore repudiates and regrets it. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

Re: all my opinion of course

starwolf_oakley
2009-09-06 02:51 am UTC (link)

What part, exactly? Moore has said THE KILLING JOKE isn't really "about" anything other than Batman and the Joker, but that's no reason to "repudiate" the story. After all, some think TKJ is about the nature of mental illness, part of the "Superheroes are crazy!" idea that continues to this day.

As far as crippling Barbara, I don't think Moore ever wrote any Batgirl stories.

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Re: all my opinion of course

jlroberson
2009-09-06 05:56 am UTC (link)

He really hates the ending. He thought it was making too much out of Batman and Joker; he feels it's an example of his worst tics; and he really regrets crippling Batgirl, and the part of that which made him really regret it was when (reportedly) an editor, Len Wein, actually said with delight "Yeah! Cripple the bitch!"

But that must be seen in the light that was a different time when characters like Batgirl and Supergirl were looked upon as silly redundancies. Remember, they were so hot to kill off Robin a long time, and one could argue that getting rid of all stuff they thought of like that in the DCU was the whole point of the Crisis. Not that it's not an ugly sentiment, but it was more than mere misogyny.

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	Re: all my opinion of course runespoor7 2009-09-06 08:23 am UTC (link)
	Killing Robin, though, was really the pet cause of one writer. For the higher ups in charge of the money, it was completely unthinkable, because there were lunchboxes to be sold. That's why we got Tim Drake. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: all my opinion of course jlroberson 2009-09-06 08:42 am UTC (link)
	Do you mean Jim Starlin(the pet cause)? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: all my opinion of course runespoor7 2009-09-06 10:37 am UTC (link)
	Yeah. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Re: all my opinion of course jlroberson 2009-09-06 08:45 am UTC (link)
	>>As far as crippling Barbara, I don't think Moore ever wrote any Batgirl stories. I just noticed that. I'm confused--she was crippled in something else besides a Moore story? TKJ, specifically? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: all my opinion of course starwolf_oakley 2009-09-06 06:56 pm UTC (link)
	I meant "Did Moore ever write Barbara/Batgirl in another story?" (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

Re: all my opinion of course

jlroberson
2009-09-07 03:50 am UTC (link)

No, but he regretted it because he felt it was the needless and sadistic destruction of a character who, after all, was one of the very few really well-developed characters in the DCU(stop snickering, I mean in character). More so than, say, Supergirl or even WW. We forget that: she was unique right from the start; even though she was taking Batman's name and look she was still very distinct. She was smart and gorgeous, completely independent, a congresswoman in the 70s, for godsake, and you also forget how rich an inner life she had for the reader: lots and lots of thought balloons, she always listened and thought and you were in on it with her).

The point of the crippling wasn't to pave the way for Oracle. It was to remove her from the DCU. Moore felt it was a mistake, but not because he wanted to use her, because it was a waste and disrespectful. One of those contributions to grimdark he regrets.

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