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queenursula (queenursula) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-08-12 18:11:00

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creator: chris claremont, creator: tom grummett, group: x-men, title: x-men forever

X-Men Forever #5

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kitty_tc_69
2009-08-13 05:32 am UTC (link)

That's a total retcon... when Rogue was first introduced as a Dazzler villain, she was middle aged. In fact, when they were on the team together Dazzler used to tease her about her age. She got youth-ified when Jim Lee started drawing her all sexy, and her popularity subsequently took off, and they quietly just never mentioned again that Rogue was ever an older woman.

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	bj_l 2009-08-13 05:51 am UTC (link)
	I'd like to see some scans of this, since she first appeared when she took Ms. Marvel's powers, as far as I know. And she was stated to be seventeen long before Jim Lee joined the X-Men, back in the early days of JRJr. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	kitty_tc_69 2009-08-13 05:56 am UTC (link)
	You're gonna make me dig out my Dazzler books, aren't you? Cuz she was in them, she attacked Alison on a bus if I recall correctly. Let me find the issue and reread it and I'll tell you more. Yes, I have a nearly complete run of Dazzler's solo book. You may commence with the teasing. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

kitty_tc_69
2009-08-13 07:12 am UTC (link)

Ok, found them... the ones I have, anyhow. Near as I can piece together from the editor's notes and letter pages, Rogue came into the title as a Dazzler villain in #22, and the ones I have with her in it are #'s 27 and 28, both released 1983.

I mostly skimmed over them, but I could not find a reference to Rogue's age. However, you are correct that these appearances take place after she steals Ms Marvel's powers as she references having them in the issues I have.

And while I couldn't find a text reference, the art definitely doesn't portray a young woman, let alone a teenager. The famous Rogue "skunk stripe" isn't a skunk stripe at all, it's white hair extending from her temples a la Hal Jordan or Reed Richards. A clear mark of an older woman, greying temples.

I unfortunately do not have the Uncanny issues where Alison teases her about being old, but I remember them clearly. There was a definite shift in how she was drawn to make her young and hot and that's when her popularity took off. It's a definite retcon.

Does anyone have those issues of Uncanny and can scan examples of her age being mentioned? I'd appreciate seeing it.

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	timemonkey 2009-08-13 10:13 pm UTC (link)
	Rogue's first appearance was in Avenger's. I believe the 10th annual. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	bj_l 2009-08-13 07:51 am UTC (link)
	Oh, please do. You're like a creature of myth. But I stand by my belief that Rogue did not appear before Avengers Annual 10 (she was meant to appear in something before that but it was cancelled or postponed), and that she was seventeen when she joined the X-Men (in the 170's I think). (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jlbarnett 2009-08-13 10:47 am UTC (link)
	she was not middle aged. What she was was a mistake. An artist saw the double white streaks she originally had in the concept sketches and drew her as middle aged. Sort of like Wolverine was never intended to be as old as he was. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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