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queenursula (queenursula) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-08-12 18:11:00

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creator: chris claremont, creator: tom grummett, group: x-men, title: x-men forever

X-Men Forever #5

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	midnightvoyager 2009-08-12 10:19 pm UTC (link)
	Oh my god, CHARLES, I'VE MISSED YOU SO MUCH AS A PROPERLY FLAWED YET GOOD MAN! (Reply to this) (Thread)

	punishermax 2009-08-12 10:28 pm UTC (link)
	I'm sorry but Charles has ALWAYS been an asshole. He's supposed to be their teacher yet he trains an army of kids to be his black ops force? Plus, pretty much every member of the Illuminati was a dick. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	motto (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	icon_uk 2009-08-12 10:25 pm UTC (link)
	Charles logic in NOT telling them really was... no logic at all, was it? How is it protecting them, not telling them a fact that's actually quite important to the future of their entire culture. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	greenmask 2009-08-12 11:19 pm UTC (link)
	Well, if he'd told them they might have decided they'd rather live than spend weekends punching Juggernaut or whoever. Or going into space to talk around Charles' old friend about i-forget-what. Or flipping about in the Danger Room. I certainly wouldn't want to train my life away! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	midnightvoyager 2009-08-13 02:56 am UTC (link)
	I think I can see where he's coming from. It's... hard to tell people that they're going to die. And if he could have fixed the problem before it became a massive problem, a group of youngish people would never have to know that they were going to die. Not the BEST reasoning, but it's at least understandable in a human way. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	mullon 2009-08-12 10:52 pm UTC (link)
	"X-Men Forever"...Ohhhh, it's ironic. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	ashtoreth 2009-08-13 05:16 am UTC (link)
	Forever until they die, I guess! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kitty_tc_69 2009-08-12 11:16 pm UTC (link)
	Why does Storm look like she's 12? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	roily_rogue 2009-08-12 11:20 pm UTC (link)
	Because she is. Apparently, this is the real Storm and the grown-up is an impostor. I think. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	xdoop 2009-08-12 11:23 pm UTC (link)
	In Claremont's original run Storm was de-aged into a child by Nanny, before being re-aged after she was captured by the Genoshan forces. I'm guessing Claremont's going to reveal that Storm was never really re-aged, and the adult Storm is an impostor or something. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	goldenbrowngod 2009-08-12 11:20 pm UTC (link)
	I haven't been reading X-men forever and was wondering is that the x-babies version of Storm, Nightcrawler and Rouge or have they been deaged? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	roily_rogue 2009-08-12 11:25 pm UTC (link)
	Storm has. The rest is just Grummett laying the cute on a little thick. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	jlbarnett 2009-08-12 11:34 pm UTC (link)
	do they ever point out that a number of mutants would get themselves killed pretty quickly without training? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	timemonkey 2009-08-13 12:57 am UTC (link)
	Not that the training seems to help much. How many of the X-Men, or X-related teams, haven't died at least once? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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(Anonymous)
2009-08-13 12:43 am UTC (link)

The idea that mutants have a shorter lifespan because their own powers eventually "burn them out" so to speak is actually a neat and logical idea on paper (although sort of a cross-between Todd MacFarlane's Spawn and JMS' Rising Stars). It also, potentially, makes Fabian Cortez the most dangerous mutant alive.

The problem is it doesn't really fit with what Claremont himself established in past continuity. One could reason Xavier was crippled by the Shadow King because Charles' own powers made him more susceptible to injury, but here states he doesn't know how it happened? And does he not remember Magneto was essentially given a whole new body after the Savage Land? And how does that even fit with someone like Wolverine, or Sabretooth, or heck, even Mystique--all of whom are supposed to have healing factors that prolong their lifespan? And I guess John Byrne's story about how Claremont didn't know Apocalypse is a mutant is also correct since, apparently, mutants cannot be immortal by definition. Same with Namor who I suppose because he's "half-Atlantian" somehow doesn't make him a mutant (even though technically it does as the whole Dark X-Men thing proves). And what about mutants who were well past their 60s like Destiny?

Guess this is what we call an example of Claremont saying "Since I made up the rules, I can bend them whenever and however I want to."

--stillanerd

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	kaileighblue 2009-08-13 03:24 pm UTC (link)
	Actually I recall at some people it being mentioned that being a mutant actually prolonged their lives. I can't remember from where though. Maybe I'm just imagining it. Then again I don't know if it was decided before or after whenever this is supposed to be. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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xdoop
2009-08-13 04:56 pm UTC (link)

Destiny's powers aren't physical; she can see the future, but that's it. So using her powers probably wouldn't burn her out.

all of whom are supposed to have healing factors that prolong their lifespan?

I'd assume their healing factors regenerate the damage their powers do to their bodies. The same goes for Apocalypse, who's also spent centuries in his hibernation chambers.

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	timemonkey 2009-08-13 12:52 am UTC (link)
	So, is this an alternate universe or something? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-08-13 12:52 am UTC (link)
	Yes. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	halloweenjack 2009-08-14 07:38 pm UTC (link)
	Think of it as Chris Claremont's John Byrne's Doom Patrol. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	erlgirl_9 2009-08-13 01:28 am UTC (link)
	Wow, I really like this. Finally, X-teams and Xavier that I don't hate on sight. I'm sick of all the backstabbing bullshit about Charles being an asshole. Sure, it's all plot-twisty and dark-frosted, but it really doesn't make for a good or enjoyable story. It's just kind of bleh. The art here is really nice, I find. (Reply to this) (Thread)

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	foxhack 2009-08-13 05:53 am UTC (link)
	So wait, if Claremont had stayed on the book, then ... this would've happened? o_O (Reply to this) (Thread)

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	jcbaggee 2009-08-13 10:02 am UTC (link)
	It's kinda like when they adapt old cartoons into movies. You get really excited and nostalgic, then 10 minutes in you realize that what was cool when you were 8 is being done by some jackass who doesn't care about your childhood. Maybe I'm in the minority, but this book's a wreck right now. (Reply to this) (Thread)

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angelophile
2009-08-13 08:49 pm UTC (link)

One thing that does occur to me is this is actually quite a clever device in terms of the book.

Because, it's picking up from a time when the X-men cast packed two books. Everyone's been wondering what's happened to Jubilee, Psylocke, Archangel, Forge, Banshee, Iceman, etc etc who were on the team at the time. This actually provides a legitimate excuse why some of these characters won't be around - if you know it decreased your life expectancy every time you used your powers, would you still want to be an X-man? There's characters like Bobby, who've walked away before to live normal lives, who now legitimately have a reason for wanting to call it quits.

In terms of a plot device serving the book, that's actually pretty smart.

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