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Doop (xdoop) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-08-06 08:33:00

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char: jewel/jessica jones, char: mary jane watson, char: spider-man/peter parker, creator: brian michael bendis, creator: joe quesada, creator: mario alberti, creator: mark waid, publisher: marvel comics, title: amazing spider-man

Amazing Spider-Man #601

Mary Jane sets a date with Peter, but when he gets there she never shows up.

There's also a back-up story by Bendis and Quesada, where Jessica Jones tells Peter how she was there when he fought Sandman at their high school (from Amazing Spider-Man #4; it turns out she was the brown-haired girl next to Flash), and that it inspired her to become a superhero.

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	skalja 2009-08-06 04:56 pm UTC (link)
	Wasn't Jim Shooter really unpopular too, or was that with people he worked with rather than with fans? Interesting dichotomy there between length of tenure and controversy. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

colonel_green
2009-08-06 05:15 pm UTC (link)

He wasn't notably unpopular with readers in that era (I'm not sure how far you can reasonably go to say Quesada is really unpopular either; Marvel's output under his regime has sold very well generally).

Shooter rubbed a ton of his creators the wrong way because he was pretty aggressive with controlling what was going on in his comics, generally aiming to protect Marvel's image (suing Eclipse to get Marvelman's name changed because he didn't want a viciously amoral character to have 'Marvel' in their name, ordering Bill Mantlo's Northstar storyline rewritten to excise him being gay because that wasn't PG-rated stuff back then). Not all of this was bad, of course; his intervention in the "Phoenix Saga" is probably example #1 of executive meddling making a story better.

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	xdoop 2009-08-06 05:23 pm UTC (link)
	Bill Mantlo's Northstar storyline involved Northstar getting AIDS and dying. Then, when Mantlo had to rewrite it, he made Northstar a fairy. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	darkknightjrk 2009-08-06 06:18 pm UTC (link)
	Made...Northstar...a fairy. ... You're shitting me. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	colonel_green 2009-08-06 06:22 pm UTC (link)
	They retconned that a few years later. (Reply to this) (Parent)

icon_uk
2009-08-06 07:18 pm UTC (link)

Northstar and Aurora were revealed to be half-elven. This "explained" Aurora's multiple personality disorder as being a side effect of her dual nature, and also Northstars pointy ears, and presumably his proclivity for wanting to have sex with men (Though whether that came from the human or elven halves of his nature was, amusingly, never defined). That storyarc ended, IIRC, with both of them being welcomed to Asgard... or somesuch.

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	drsevarius 2009-08-06 07:20 pm UTC (link)
	and presumably his proclivity for wanting to have sex with men (Though whether that came from the human or elven halves of his nature was, amusingly, never defined) Was that really implied? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	colonel_green 2009-08-06 07:25 pm UTC (link)
	I didn't see that there. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-08-06 07:35 pm UTC (link)
	Not sure what you mean, IIRC it was implied his sexuality (or "lifestyle" or whatever camouflage word they were using at that point) came about because of his being half elf. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	colonel_green 2009-08-06 11:56 pm UTC (link)
	I was saying I don't recall taking away from reading it, but it's been a long time since I read those issues, and I don't think I have them anymore. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	colonel_green 2009-08-06 06:21 pm UTC (link)
	Which was, at the time, a very new and immediate social problem that entertainment media (heck, the White House) had very little to say on. The latter thing I always took as a jab at editorial for not wanting to depict homosexuals in comics. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-08-06 06:57 pm UTC (link)
	IDK, from the way it sounded like the story was written, I think it was more a case of Mantlo being homophobic and less a case of him trying to increase AIDS awareness or something. http://www.lonelygods.com/h/80s.html (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	colonel_green 2009-08-06 07:09 pm UTC (link)
	I can't speculate as to Mantlo's motives, not knowing the man, but I don't see anything in the article that would suggest he was homophobic. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-08-06 07:29 pm UTC (link)
	http://forum.alphaflight.net/viewtopic.php?p=10114#10114 (Reply to this) (Parent)

	skalja 2009-08-06 06:49 pm UTC (link)
	For a second there I was like, "Dude, homophobic slur!" and then I realized that you meant, you know, an actual fairy. Sorry, doop, I know you're not that kind of guy. XD (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	thandrak 2009-08-06 08:39 pm UTC (link)
	It's much funnier if you take it both ways at once. If you know what I mean. And I think that you motto. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	aaron_bourque 2009-08-06 05:18 pm UTC (link)
	Among the people he worked with. He had rather draconian work ethic and editorial policies, but his time as EIC was a creative and economic high-point for Marvel, and there was always a new issue on the stands, month in, month out. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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