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Tweak says, "King of Babylon"

starwolf_oakley (starwolf_oakley) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-08-05 17:37:00

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char: batgirl/oracle/barbara gordon, char: black canary/dinah lance, char: huntress/helena bertinelli, creator: gail simone, creator: joe bennett, title: birds of prey

BOP #68: A canary or a "mock"ing bird? or The Sexual History of Helena Bertinelli
The first page of Cry For Justice #2 has caused some controversy on this board and elsewhere. But it's not like that kind of "behavior" is unheard of in Huntress' history.

First, Babs and the girls talk about Savant, who kidnapped Black Canary and chained her to a ~~fridge~~ bed.

Uh-oh. Anyone know the exact issues?

This was revealed in OUTSIDERS #12, but not the circumstances. Nightwing must have told Oracle. Because that's not weird at all.

Ah, so Roy is "quick to let fly." No wonder Cheshire got pregnant!

Well, give she's now about Roy's age due to that Lazarus Pit dip, it's less "mother and son" these days.

How does that date go?

Sheesh, I thought they only kept the masks on in ULTIMATE or ALL-STAR stories. Supposedly Gail Simone wrote this so Helene could find realize she deserved better in the romance department. Is a threesome with Hal Jordan and Lady Blackhawk really better? Well, I doubt they'd keep their masks on.

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parsimonia
2009-08-06 03:00 pm UTC (link)

I think there are some things that *Huntress* has in common with Batman, but as Bruce and Helena they are pretty different, if that makes sense. And yeah, Babs is far more like Bruce in personality. In fact, with him calling Babs right afterwards, I would think Babs would be more likely to be someone's avatar. (And yes, I believe it was Babs who said something like "honey, I know she may seem familiar to you, but...", but he also had a dream where Batman found out about him and Helena and got pissed off.)

this and that Nightwing annual seem to be where the manwhore stuff comes from and he just isn't.

Yes. Uhg, the idea that he would sleep with Babs when she's so vulnerable and while he's engaged to Kory just doesn't fly.

Dick for some reason sticks with her in spite of that. Like she's given way too much power over him for who she actually is and all that.

Part of that I can get because it was such a fucked-up abusive relationship, and the victim in such situation often feels misplaced guilt or that they can "fix" the other person etc (and given their vigilantism and their differing styles/methods at that, Dick is very focused on reforming her). Additionally, whether it was good or bad editorially speaking, every bat-book at that time was leading up to War Games. And War Games was an extreme exercise in Murphy's Law, where everything that could possibly go wrong went wrong, and everyone was having problems and at each other's throats.

I get the feeling that all of that was somehow meant to be cathartic, and after repeatedly hitting rock-bottom, he was supposed to be happy and flying high again. Unfortunately, we had to wait all the way until Tomasi's run, and lovely though that was, it was sad.

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runespoor7
2009-08-06 07:14 pm UTC (link)

In fact, with him calling Babs right afterwards, I would think Babs would be more likely to be someone's avatar.

I agree with that. In fact, if I had to pick one female character who I think might be the closest to being Devin Grayson's self-insert/Mary Sue, I'd say Babs hands down.

after repeatedly hitting rock-bottom, he was supposed to be happy and flying high again. Unfortunately, we had to wait all the way until Tomasi's run

To be fair to that annual, it ended on the idea that Dick needed to find who he was so he'd be happy with himself, so Andreyko didn't get everything wrong.

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