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colonel_green (colonel_green) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-08-05 14:48:00

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char: ant-man/wasp/hank pym, char: black widow/natasha romanova, char: captain america/bucky barnes, char: crossbones/brock rumlow, char: green goblin/norman osborn, char: mr. fantastic/reed richards, char: sharon carter, char: sin/synthia schmidt, creator: bryan hitch, creator: ed brubaker, creator: michael lark, publisher: marvel comics

Love Among The Nazis, and other stories.

Three scans from Captain America: Reborn #2, and three from Captain America #600.

Lot's going on in Reborn, though, again, a lot of it is setup.

Previously: Steve was lost in time, Sharon is key to it somehow, Norman finds out about all this from Dr. Zola, New Cap and Black Widow face off against Ares and Venom.

In terms of the mechanics of what the Skull did, Reed Richards is called in to investigate further:

Meanwhile, Norman is up to no good on a number of fronts. First, he checks in with Sin and Crossbones, both currently in jail, and says they can leave the room either in his employ or with bullets through their heads, given their crimes.

Elsewhere, unlike how things usually go in comics, pitting two normal humans against a god and a dude wearing in an alien symbiote leads to the humans losing.

"But then, we all die once or twice, right?" Heh.

Osborn releases evidence of Sharon's complicity in Steve's death to the media, transforming her into Public Enemy No. 1, and tells Natasha to go and tell Sharon to turn herself in within 24 hours or New Cap gets it.

Sin and Crossbones' appearance here made me think of their segment in Captain America #600, which was one of my favourites; so here's the highlights of their comemmoration of Steve's death.

Crossbones goes on a love-mad dash through the prison, killin' lots of people along the way, before he makes it to...

Aww, it's so romantic.

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	aaron_bourque 2009-08-05 06:46 pm UTC (link)
	Infantilism. Ick. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ex_menagerie993 2009-08-05 06:49 pm UTC (link)
	Wait, Claremont's writing? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	nezchan 2009-08-05 08:42 pm UTC (link)
	With Byrne on art! (Reply to this) (Parent)

box_in_the_box
2009-08-05 07:04 pm UTC (link)

No, given what we've seen of Norman with "Sins Past," "American Son," and the latest She-Hulk mini, I'm sure he's trying to find a way to impregnate it instead.

I now find Norman Osborn to be even more personally repulsive than Doctor Light, post-Meltzer. At least DC didn't put Doctor Light in charge of the entire goddamn DCU.

Just the SIGHT of Norman now LITERALLY sets off my gag-reflex. Yes, marvel has written Norman so terribly that he's actually become a TRIGGER for me.

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punishermax
2009-08-05 07:07 pm UTC (link)

Norman's always been an awful human being, all the way since Gwen Stacy.

At least Norman had consenual sex to get that woman pregnant. Dr. Light is just an annoying weirdo who works rape into every god damn threat, He's King Nineties.

I love how Marvel at one point gave Norman a tragic backstory yet it was nowhere near bad enough for what he's been doing these days.

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box_in_the_box
2009-08-05 07:17 pm UTC (link)

Norman's always been an awful human being, all the way since Gwen Stacy.

The difference being that NONE of the past writers or editors of Marvel put Norman IN CHARGE OF THE WORLD, nor did they turn him into such a Canon Villain Sue that Gwen would CONSENT to having sex with him, on the pretense that, according to Joe Quesada, Norman is supposedly "very attractive" and "very charismatic," two words that I would NEVER associate with Norman.

I HATED post-Meltzer Doctor Light, but at least he was ACKNOWLEDGED as a completely irredeemable piece of shit. By contrast, the only way that any number of Marvel's recent portrayals of Norman make sense is if THEY SEE HIM AS THE HERO, and indeed, Bendis even SAID in an interview that "anyone could relate" to Norman Osborn, after he'd received the keys to the kingdom, and moreover, Bendis asserted that Norman would make a "better hero" than the ACTUAL heroes in the Marvel Universe, precisely BECAUSE he's evil.

When I look at Norman Osborn now, I can't help but see him as the wish-fulfillment authorial self-insertion character of Joe Quesada, especially when Quesada goes on at creepy length in interviews about how Norman is so "handsome" and "he has the best hair."

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colonel_green
2009-08-05 07:39 pm UTC (link)

Norman is supposedly "very attractive" and "very charismatic," two words that I would NEVER associate with Norman.

Really? He's a rich and successful business man, with a lengthy history of running organized crime. I don't know about 'attractive', but that suggests a certain amount of charisma.

By contrast, the only way that any number of Marvel's recent portrayals of Norman make sense is if THEY SEE HIM AS THE HERO, and indeed, Bendis even SAID in an interview that "anyone could relate" to Norman Osborn, after he'd received the keys to the kingdom, and moreover, Bendis asserted that Norman would make a "better hero" than the ACTUAL heroes in the Marvel Universe, precisely BECAUSE he's evil.

Bendis likes to speculate about stuff like that in interviews, but I can't imagine how you'd take away from any of the actual comics the idea that he's being written as anything other than a supervillain. The readers are meant to enjoy watching him scheme and be bad.

I can't help but see him as the wish-fulfillment authorial self-insertion character of Joe Quesada, especially when Quesada goes on at creepy length in interviews about how Norman is so "handsome" and "he has the best hair."

That would be a joke about his hair.

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fredneil.livejournal.com
2009-08-05 08:46 pm UTC (link)

"Norman is supposedly "very attractive" and "very charismatic," two words that I would NEVER associate with Norman."

"Really? He's a rich and successful business man, with a lengthy history of running organized crime. I don't know about 'attractive', but that suggests a certain amount of charisma."

Not necessarily. He could also be a workaholic and someone who has absolutely no qualms about screwing over someone else, which happens to be exactly the way he had always been portrayed. Even he had been charismatic to strangers, Gwen would have surely heard a different story from Harry, who was one of her best friends.

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starwolf_oakley
2009-08-05 08:46 pm UTC (link)

Well, so far Osborn has "worked" while in charge by giving people what they want. Doom gets Latveria, Namor gets missing Atlanteans, the Hood and Co. get an air of legitimacy, and Emma and Loki get... get...

Well, I'm sure Emma and Loki get something, but I'm not sure what.

That's a few people Osborn can deal with in a more subtle and appreciative way than Nick Fury or Tony Stark ever could. This could be Norman's willingness to work in a way Nick and Tony never would. But you don't have to be evil to be a good negotiator. Dale Carnagie proved that.

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