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colonel_green (colonel_green) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-08-05 14:48:00

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char: ant-man/wasp/hank pym, char: black widow/natasha romanova, char: captain america/bucky barnes, char: crossbones/brock rumlow, char: green goblin/norman osborn, char: mr. fantastic/reed richards, char: sharon carter, char: sin/synthia schmidt, creator: bryan hitch, creator: ed brubaker, creator: michael lark, publisher: marvel comics

Love Among The Nazis, and other stories.

Three scans from Captain America: Reborn #2, and three from Captain America #600.

Lot's going on in Reborn, though, again, a lot of it is setup.

Previously: Steve was lost in time, Sharon is key to it somehow, Norman finds out about all this from Dr. Zola, New Cap and Black Widow face off against Ares and Venom.

In terms of the mechanics of what the Skull did, Reed Richards is called in to investigate further:

Meanwhile, Norman is up to no good on a number of fronts. First, he checks in with Sin and Crossbones, both currently in jail, and says they can leave the room either in his employ or with bullets through their heads, given their crimes.

Elsewhere, unlike how things usually go in comics, pitting two normal humans against a god and a dude wearing in an alien symbiote leads to the humans losing.

"But then, we all die once or twice, right?" Heh.

Osborn releases evidence of Sharon's complicity in Steve's death to the media, transforming her into Public Enemy No. 1, and tells Natasha to go and tell Sharon to turn herself in within 24 hours or New Cap gets it.

Sin and Crossbones' appearance here made me think of their segment in Captain America #600, which was one of my favourites; so here's the highlights of their comemmoration of Steve's death.

Crossbones goes on a love-mad dash through the prison, killin' lots of people along the way, before he makes it to...

Aww, it's so romantic.

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	punishermax 2009-08-05 06:21 pm UTC (link)
	Lost called it wants it's plot back. I kid, I kid. I must say, the whole Reborn thing is shockingly early, I gotta hope Steve allows Bucky to continue to be Cap. Steve would be cool as an advisor for Superhero-kind, like an ambassador of sorts. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	aaron_bourque 2009-08-05 06:46 pm UTC (link)
	Then Slaughterhouse Five would like to have a word with Lost. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	nezchan 2009-08-05 08:41 pm UTC (link)
	This is just some sort of Tarantino meta crossover movie waiting to happen. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	ian_karkull 2009-08-05 07:26 pm UTC (link)
	I gotta hope Steve allows Bucky to continue to be Cap. I agree completely. The book is just way too good right now to be derailed completely by a cheap publicity stunt like this. On the other hand, Steve Rogers would work very well as a Super-Hero Elder Statesman of sorts. He kind of already is that anyway. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	colonel_green 2009-08-05 07:45 pm UTC (link)
	I don't see how this is a publicity stunt (beyond it being its own miniseries). (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ian_karkull 2009-08-05 08:09 pm UTC (link)
	How is killing off a classic character at the conclusion of a heavily promoted crossover, only to bring him back sometime later in another heavily promoted miniseries not a publicity stunt? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	colonel_green 2009-08-05 08:12 pm UTC (link)
	It's Brubaker's story, one he's been telling for years now; I don't see it as a stunt (though they market it for all it's worth, they'd be stupid not to). (Reply to this) (Parent)

	lbd_nytetrayn 2009-08-06 05:56 am UTC (link)
	Maybe they could promote him. What's the next rank up from Captain? --LBD "Nytetrayn" (Reply to this) (Parent)

	unknownscribler 2009-08-05 06:22 pm UTC (link)
	In other news, any updates on what Norman's doing with Warmachine's cloned body? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	comicoz 2009-08-05 06:35 pm UTC (link)
	It involves latex and baby oil. Lots of baby oil. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	aaron_bourque 2009-08-05 06:46 pm UTC (link)
	Infantilism. Ick. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ex_menagerie993 2009-08-05 06:49 pm UTC (link)
	Wait, Claremont's writing? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	nezchan 2009-08-05 08:42 pm UTC (link)
	With Byrne on art! (Reply to this) (Parent)

box_in_the_box
2009-08-05 07:04 pm UTC (link)

No, given what we've seen of Norman with "Sins Past," "American Son," and the latest She-Hulk mini, I'm sure he's trying to find a way to impregnate it instead.

I now find Norman Osborn to be even more personally repulsive than Doctor Light, post-Meltzer. At least DC didn't put Doctor Light in charge of the entire goddamn DCU.

Just the SIGHT of Norman now LITERALLY sets off my gag-reflex. Yes, marvel has written Norman so terribly that he's actually become a TRIGGER for me.

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punishermax
2009-08-05 07:07 pm UTC (link)

Norman's always been an awful human being, all the way since Gwen Stacy.

At least Norman had consenual sex to get that woman pregnant. Dr. Light is just an annoying weirdo who works rape into every god damn threat, He's King Nineties.

I love how Marvel at one point gave Norman a tragic backstory yet it was nowhere near bad enough for what he's been doing these days.

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box_in_the_box
2009-08-05 07:17 pm UTC (link)

Norman's always been an awful human being, all the way since Gwen Stacy.

The difference being that NONE of the past writers or editors of Marvel put Norman IN CHARGE OF THE WORLD, nor did they turn him into such a Canon Villain Sue that Gwen would CONSENT to having sex with him, on the pretense that, according to Joe Quesada, Norman is supposedly "very attractive" and "very charismatic," two words that I would NEVER associate with Norman.

I HATED post-Meltzer Doctor Light, but at least he was ACKNOWLEDGED as a completely irredeemable piece of shit. By contrast, the only way that any number of Marvel's recent portrayals of Norman make sense is if THEY SEE HIM AS THE HERO, and indeed, Bendis even SAID in an interview that "anyone could relate" to Norman Osborn, after he'd received the keys to the kingdom, and moreover, Bendis asserted that Norman would make a "better hero" than the ACTUAL heroes in the Marvel Universe, precisely BECAUSE he's evil.

When I look at Norman Osborn now, I can't help but see him as the wish-fulfillment authorial self-insertion character of Joe Quesada, especially when Quesada goes on at creepy length in interviews about how Norman is so "handsome" and "he has the best hair."

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colonel_green
2009-08-05 07:39 pm UTC (link)

Norman is supposedly "very attractive" and "very charismatic," two words that I would NEVER associate with Norman.

Really? He's a rich and successful business man, with a lengthy history of running organized crime. I don't know about 'attractive', but that suggests a certain amount of charisma.

By contrast, the only way that any number of Marvel's recent portrayals of Norman make sense is if THEY SEE HIM AS THE HERO, and indeed, Bendis even SAID in an interview that "anyone could relate" to Norman Osborn, after he'd received the keys to the kingdom, and moreover, Bendis asserted that Norman would make a "better hero" than the ACTUAL heroes in the Marvel Universe, precisely BECAUSE he's evil.

Bendis likes to speculate about stuff like that in interviews, but I can't imagine how you'd take away from any of the actual comics the idea that he's being written as anything other than a supervillain. The readers are meant to enjoy watching him scheme and be bad.

I can't help but see him as the wish-fulfillment authorial self-insertion character of Joe Quesada, especially when Quesada goes on at creepy length in interviews about how Norman is so "handsome" and "he has the best hair."

That would be a joke about his hair.

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fredneil.livejournal.com
2009-08-05 08:46 pm UTC (link)

"Norman is supposedly "very attractive" and "very charismatic," two words that I would NEVER associate with Norman."

"Really? He's a rich and successful business man, with a lengthy history of running organized crime. I don't know about 'attractive', but that suggests a certain amount of charisma."

Not necessarily. He could also be a workaholic and someone who has absolutely no qualms about screwing over someone else, which happens to be exactly the way he had always been portrayed. Even he had been charismatic to strangers, Gwen would have surely heard a different story from Harry, who was one of her best friends.

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starwolf_oakley
2009-08-05 08:46 pm UTC (link)

Well, so far Osborn has "worked" while in charge by giving people what they want. Doom gets Latveria, Namor gets missing Atlanteans, the Hood and Co. get an air of legitimacy, and Emma and Loki get... get...

Well, I'm sure Emma and Loki get something, but I'm not sure what.

That's a few people Osborn can deal with in a more subtle and appreciative way than Nick Fury or Tony Stark ever could. This could be Norman's willingness to work in a way Nick and Tony never would. But you don't have to be evil to be a good negotiator. Dale Carnagie proved that.

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starwolf_oakley
2009-08-05 08:42 pm UTC (link)

Despite what the ACLU bitched about right after 9/11, I'm pretty sure you DO get a trial if an enemy combatant gets caught attempting/committing terrorism in the United States. Most of those Gitmo prisoners were caught overseas, right?

What was Norman's tragic backstory? I thought it was the "Goblin formula" driving him insane. Paul Jenkins might have given him something about a childhood fear of the dark, but that's all I can think of.

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	punishermax 2009-08-05 08:53 pm UTC (link)
	I think it was the usual abusive father thing with mother issues thrown in. It' wasen't exactly amazing if I recall. I'm pretty sure Norman is clearly losing these days, he's getting beaten from all sides at this point. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	colonel_green 2009-08-05 09:06 pm UTC (link)
	I don't know what the current law is; in the MU, Norman seems to have virtually unlimited powers within the USA (enough to satisfy even Dick Cheney's wildest dreams). (Reply to this) (Parent)

	felinephoenix 2009-08-19 03:04 pm UTC (link)
	If I remember right, it wasn't quite a fear of the dark. More like a pathological embracing of the dark, after Norman Sr. left him alone in an abandoned house for a day to make the boy "a man". Plus, Senior caused the family to go bankrupt and knocked Norman and his mother. (I think this part is DeMatteis, not Jenkins.) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	mullon 2009-08-05 10:15 pm UTC (link)
	Two humans against and alien and a god may sound lik a bad deal in comics, but its trumped by the rule of two heroes going up against considerable odds and coming out on top which is usually a good deal in comics. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	galateus 2009-08-06 05:38 pm UTC (link)
	I think that's what he was saying. (Reply to this) (Parent)