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claudie (flirting with modernism) (lipsofpoison) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-07-03 17:38:00

Entry tags:

char: robin/red hood/jason todd, char: robin/red robin/tim drake, creator: doug mahnke, creator: judd winick, creator: tony daniel

Batman #641 vs. Battle for the Cowl #2
Upon rereading Under the Hood, I noticed something that I loved from Jason at the time and something that I wish had stayed consistant on, to be honest.

Batman #641

Yes, Jason, I do think it's ridiculous when they do that.

Oh, speaking of...

BftC #2

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islwyn
2009-07-03 05:08 pm UTC (link)

As much as I hated the near-fridging of Onyx, OH JASON. Him resurrected is like one of the very few characters that make me go "bweeee" and "ouch" while he's stabbing people and blowing up buildings as the Campy Crimeprince. It's a "bweeee" and an "ouch" of the batshit insane.

Theory time! Maybe Jason being written shittily was an editorial decision to discredit him, because the reasoning behind his vendetta and the place he was trying to make for himself in Gotham along with his methods were, you know, actually quite valid. I think it's a conspiracy. I have seen the secret handshakes.

And ahaha Tony Daniel, no. Seriously, stop that.

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lipsofpoison
2009-07-03 05:11 pm UTC (link)

I know what you mean. I bought vol.1 and 2 as my first ever things to buy that got me into it and while hooked, it didn't have make me go OUCH sometimes. It's a very Joker-style mania and I think that's deliberate.

I've been wondering about that. The first time Tim appears to be using a more Jason like tone, he gets bitch slapped a lot as well so you could be right about it being editorial. I think for Jason, this was a great move and one that was forgotten about. They could have played it off with escalation but it feels like they took a cheap way out (extra-traumatised psycho boy) instead of a meaningful (long term effects of killing on him and the city). That's my theory, anyway.

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islwyn
2009-07-03 05:23 pm UTC (link)

I first properly encountered Jason in the thing where I got my icon from (which is I was a little baffled that anyone could dislike him, much less pay to have him textually killed), but yeah, I've been giving a huge benefit of the doubt to Winick ever since Under the Hood and beyond. Love it or hate it; I thought it was excellent, and all the more reason to be bitter now that Winick remains the only writer at DC who genuinely likes the character. Or so it seems.

It's a complete mystery to me how anyone would think that Jason (hello, massive brain damage and psychological trauma of sodding dying!) needed any more angst to justify his bouts of crazy. A well-written redemption arc could even lampshade/handwave his behaviour in BftC! (Where is my Jason redemption arc, DC.)

	icon_uk 2009-07-03 05:44 pm UTC (link)
	Sorry, I'm with Tony Daniel on this one; Jason has no trace of anything I'd call remotely heroic in him. He's gone WAY over to the darkside and is still accelerating. He murders (and it IS murder) without qualm, he's tried to kill the Batclan more times than most villains have, and sees nothing wrong with his actions. That's not someone I would call a hero. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)