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zechs27 (zechs27) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-06-04 14:17:00

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char: dr. doom/victor von doom, char: morgana le fay, creator: brian michael bendis, creator: marko djurdjevic, publisher: marvel comics, series: week of doom

WEEK OF DOOM: Doctor Doom Loves/Hates Morgana Le Fay Part 2
More Doom/Morgana love/hate. This time from Mighty Avengers #9 and #11.

For those looking for part one here's a link to it:

http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/423709.html#cutid1

You all know what come's next. Doom returns to Latervia to find it under seige from the Avengers. Massive fight breaks out. Vic and Ton AGAIN get stuck in the past. Vic and Ton AGAIN have to work together to be back in the present. Of course once back Doom take's a pit stop somewhere else in time:

Like I said before, banter like this to them is like some other form of foreplay and I think that's the true reason why Doom hearts her.

Then the more infamous moments of this arc hit after this. Doom calls Ms Marvel a cow. Doom is owned by the Sentry and then is under arrest for unleashing the symbiote bomb on New York, which he was actually innocent of.

Which of course leaves us to the ending to this:

And alas you know the rest of this story with what's happened to these two in Dark Avengers. Course it's not gonna be the end. Only a matter of time Doom plucks her from where she is. Give her the Doom eyes (the ones that everyone falls for) and bam he's back in.

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	sherkahn 2009-06-04 02:32 pm UTC (link)
	LOVE the art. This is BEAUTIFUL work. It captures everyone quite well. Doom is at once a man and something much more, and Morgana is truly as beautiful as she is powerful and deadly. Mmmm... Morgana.... (Reply to this)

kitty_tc_69
2009-06-04 02:55 pm UTC (link)

I like it, but stories with Doom interested in women always feel a little off to me. Probably because I tend to think of Doom as much like the character he would later inspire, Lord Darth Vader... "more machine than man", sealed inside the armored suit that gives him his power. I know that's not a technically correct conception, but I have trouble shaking it and the thought of Doom outside his armor ever just feels wrong to me.

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	icon_uk 2009-06-04 03:06 pm UTC (link)
	Love the art, even strangely perhaps, down to Morgana's knee actually looking like it has a patella in the first full scan. (Reply to this)

	thehefner 2009-06-04 04:44 pm UTC (link)
	Just checking, as I don't know the character well enough, but is it consistent for Morgana's character that she'd actually say things like "Okay"? Or is that just Bendis being Bendis again? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	citygod 2009-06-04 05:27 pm UTC (link)
	or "..you fancy me." Which could work if she was English, and from this century, but otherwise, it's BendisSpeak. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

kitty_tc_69
2009-06-04 06:00 pm UTC (link)

Well she is English. Not of this century though. Still, it's little different than most translation conventions involving older versions of english. Yeah, she should be incomprehensible to modern ears, but few works of fiction want to deal with that sort of thing so they just give the characters a touch of ye olde englishe and have done with it. It's not just Bendis.

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	icon_uk 2009-06-04 06:07 pm UTC (link)
	She's been shown using fairly formal English in any previous appearance. "You fancy me" is definitely too casual for her, it'd be like Doom asking someone "Wassssuuuup?" We have a handy "out" in luck in her case as regards language as I'm sure a simple translation cantrip makes her comprehensible to anyone she needs to know what she's saying. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	kitty_tc_69 2009-06-04 06:12 pm UTC (link)
	Really? "You fancy me" is casual? Hell, it sounds more than a little outdated and stilted to me. In fact, I can't ever recall hearing someone use that expression in real life. YMMV, I suppose. It sounds perfectly like something one of faerie blood might say to me. And very good point about the translation cantrip! Good call there. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-06-04 06:21 pm UTC (link)
	"Casual" was perhaps the wrong word to use though "common" isn't quite right either. Certainly in Britain, where Morgana is from after all, it's something that a schoolgirl might demand of a boy in the schoolyard "Do you fancy me", or a hooker might call "Fancy a bit of this?". (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	kitty_tc_69 2009-06-04 07:06 pm UTC (link)
	That's the difference, then. Here in america that's just not a part of slang vocabulary at all. To our ears, it sounds quaint and old-timey, and thus appropriate. That's probably why Bendis used it. I can certainly understand why it'd sound wrong to you if the word is in current usage there. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	arilou_skiff 2009-06-05 01:58 am UTC (link)
	It's kind of old timey, but it is a very... Working class kind of old-timey. (Reply to this) (Parent)

citygod
2009-06-04 06:58 pm UTC (link)

Good point, but "...you fancy me" is too specifically of our era to work, and too specifically Bendis for my ears. (And yeah, there's a case for her being English, but I've always thought of her as Celtic. Which, in that era, would be very different.) Basically: all Bendis dialogue sounds the same - decaf Mamet. Dr. Strange, Spiderman, Skrull Queens, ex-superhero cops, Namor - they all sound the same in his scripts. It sorta worked on DD and Powers, but in the 616 mainstream, not so much.

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	zechs27 2009-06-04 10:40 pm UTC (link)
	See previous post and what the heck I'll post her first meeting with Doom as well from Iron Man #150 as well on Sat. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	fungo_squiggly 2009-06-04 05:34 pm UTC (link)
	I like how Doom corrects her "conquer" to "protect." Of course Doom wants to "protect" the whole world, from its own people if necessary. But still. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	tanetris 2009-06-04 11:46 pm UTC (link)
	In fairness, if you want to protect the whole world, "from its own people" is the logical place to start (unless there's a giant asteroid or alien invasion incoming, but that only happens on Wednesdays (yes, you are meant to think of "Dawn's in trouble; must be Tuesday"))... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	proteus_lives 2009-06-05 03:30 am UTC (link)
	Doom has a very paternal view of the world. In his eyes, we are but children in need of the protection and guidance of Doom. Doom correcting her is very in-character. I remember an Excaliber story where Doom was unaffected by a "be confronted by your own evil" device/spell/person because he truly did not believe that his goals where evil or wrong. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	I enjoy Doom's cross-time pimpery. proteus_lives 2009-06-05 03:33 am UTC (link)
	But I'm at a loss trying to think if there is truly any woman for Doom. He's too self-contained, damaged and alone. Morgana would work for a while but they would eventually clash. (as they did in DA.) Is there a female that could be the Lady Von Doom?? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: I enjoy Doom's cross-time pimpery. unknownscribler 2009-06-05 10:28 am UTC (link)
	Rimmerworld. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Re: I enjoy Doom's cross-time pimpery. sherkahn 2009-06-05 12:37 pm UTC (link)
	Morgana would love someone who can get her temperature up. She command demon armies and hordes of undead. Mere mortals would not entice a woman like that. Doom, however... makes her steam up like the Amazon (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

Re: I enjoy Doom's cross-time pimpery.

zechs27
2009-06-05 12:43 pm UTC (link)

Exactly, hence why she was somewhat bored and didn't much care for Doom other than him being a means to an end during Iron Man #150. Yet during Legacy of Doom she's starting to see this man is no ordinary one. Not to mention is keeping in step with every threat and flirt she's making. So her interest is indeed raised. Until we have her here, with the two finally having an actual relationship. Of course it turns sour because Morg feels Doom used her like she would had him if given the chance. Hence the stuff in Dark Avengers. I just wonder if given all that's been done with these two will that be the end of this story. Because she's a nice counter to Valeria. Instead of offering redemption as that one gives, a relationship with Morgana is one where it deepens Doom into being Doom.

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