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Tweak says, "do anything...be anything"

Sharon Carter (agentthirteen) wrote in incompletedata,
@ 2017-06-24 01:58:00

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We are all victims of this inhumane violation of our rights. None of us had any choice in this, and we will remember who is responsible for our captivity and the threats they hold over our heads. Whether you choose to play along or sit out is your choice. However the actions we take, the choices that we make here, are our responsibility. Violence and reckless destruction are not excusable, especially not when those you are harming are not our captors but each other.

We are among many individuals who have criminal histories- murderers and psychopaths. Because of our situation, we have viewed them as on our side in hopes they would cooperate for the good of the group. We do not want conflict, but now they have brought it to us through the horrific behavior displayed at the midway. I am highly disappointed.

Do we excuse these actions as allowable given the circumstances, or do we form a system to keep each other accountable?

Many of us come from different realities with different methods of governance, law, and justice. Or lack of. It is important that we recognize and respect this. We cannot impose any system upon the rest and call it fair unless we have majority support.

So I propose an open forum to discuss what rules we find necessary to put in place, what consequences are appropriate, and who we trust amongst us to uphold order. And if you feel differently, you are also welcome to express dissent.

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	Cap13 hydra 2017-06-25 03:50 am UTC (link)
	If these acts of violence are connected to tasks - the goals that they've been assigned - can we still hold them accountable? I'm just asking because seeing as Rogue was instructed to physically hurt someone, it wouldn't surprise me if there were a few other dangerous tricks up the scientists' sleeves. (Reply to this) (Thread)

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agentthirteen
2017-06-25 06:30 am UTC (link)

There are no doubts that the scientists are testing how we respond to their challenges, exactly what they are capable of making us do given the right balance of rewards and punishments. They are learning our patterns and training a lot of the people here too easily to literally jump through hoops and obey commands. We do not need following commands to hurt others to become ingrained, expected, allowed.

Holding people accountable for these actions, assigned or not, hopefully will keep them critical and aware that because they told me to is not a defense.

It's beginning to feel like the Milgram experiment, and we unfortunately know too well that people will often follow the commands of perceived authority to harm others when they believe they will not be held accountable for that harm. Even when they're the ones pulling the trigger.

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hydra
2017-06-25 07:23 am UTC (link)

I think accountability is necessary, but I also think it's going to be easily contestable, difficult to enforce and could possibly give rise to even more conflict and violence between us. This isn't to say that I disagree with you, so much as I think we need to bet very cautious about what we attempt to implement.

I'm mostly saying this because it's always a pain in the ass when we have a conflict of interest with the X-Men, and since Magneto is here, attempting to hold them to any kind of standard is going to cause a democratic breakdown very quickly.

But... I might have an idea.

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agentthirteen
2017-06-25 08:16 am UTC (link)

Exactly, it's not easy. But with getting more people involved with the decision and allowing everyone to feel represented, hopefully it will be easier to gain support.

The X-Men are always a difficult matter, one that needs to be handled with more sensitivity than ever. Giving them the opportunity deal with their own matters themselves is important. I'm also not particularly pleased with the issue of dealing with manbaby Kylo Ren and his father's apparent inability to be an effective parent.

I'm open to hearing it.

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hydra
2017-06-25 02:23 pm UTC (link)

I think the first thing we all need to do is make decisions regarding who our "own" are. If we want to use our blocks as framework for that, or our pre-existing connections to people. Accountability then, remains the responsibility of that group. Not that the entire group is accountably, but that they enforce their own rules.

There are other options, but I think accepting individuality and individual groups is more important than assuming because we are all in the same situation, we're all the same or might agree with each other. And I'd much rather make the cast of Star Wars deal with their own problems ~~than pretend I give a shit about Han Solo~~ act as though I have some moral authority.

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