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Theodore Nott (nottfinished) wrote in finnigans_rpg,
@ 2014-08-30 15:27:00

Current mood:	angry
Entry tags:	journal: ernie, journal: hermione, journal: logan, journal: theodore, journal: zacharias

Journal Entry | Theo #1
Intelligent rats sound good, until you remember that their intelligence means they can understand things like family and children, that they can feel love and grief and that they have the wits to know how to use their fabric bedding to hang themselves.

~~If I'd kept a better eye on them this wouldn't have happened~~

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	weasley_now 2014-08-30 07:05 pm UTC (link)
	You had a rat hang itself? That is both intriguing that they would reach that level of intelligence while disturbing that we are creating and breeding creatures that have those abilities. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	nottfinished 2014-08-30 08:58 pm UTC (link)
	Two of them, though I think the male copied the female; she was always the smarter of the two. I guess quitting is only in the grasp of the intelligent? So-called dumb animals have more courage than that? I don't know. Maybe it's just that they had a concept of the future and couldn't face meeting it. ~~Maybe that's what makes them intelligent~~ (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	weasley_now 2014-08-30 11:31 pm UTC (link)
	I'm curious. How did they work out the logistics of it all? Also, why would their concept of a future be one that they wouldn't contemplate? Though animals tend to take their cues from the people they interact with the most. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	nottfinished 2014-08-31 12:05 am UTC (link)
	They have these hammocks. I don't know. They had babies a while ago, none of them made it. ~~I know it's my fault but~~ (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	weasley_now 2014-08-31 02:20 am UTC (link)
	That's a shame. If you knew you could prevent it from occurring again in the future. According to what I've read on mice she could have had another litter soon. Unless he killed the babies himself. Regardless, how did they begin to reach a more cognitive state? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

nottfinished
2014-08-31 02:09 pm UTC (link)

I know. ~~I should have known~~

No, they were a good couple. Just young, maybe, the babies were weak. ~~I didn't watch them, I didn't look after them properly~~ I didn't watch them well enough and they just slipped away. Both the parents were distraught.

I'm not sure. I suppose it makes sense, we bred intelligence into them, I suppose they're evolving from there. I don't know.

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	weasley_now 2014-08-31 08:37 pm UTC (link)
	Then we should leave them to their own devices. Breeding intelligence into creatures who are not ready to handle it is cruel. Not that you did the breeding yourself. Still, now that the outcomes are measurable changes should be made to present this from happening again. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	nottfinished 2014-08-31 09:25 pm UTC (link)
	Who is ready to handle intelligence? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	weasley_now 2014-09-01 04:01 am UTC (link)
	I think intelligence is relative to the species and we ought no place our own views into those that already exist. It isn't natural. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	nottfinished 2014-09-01 09:04 am UTC (link)
	I'm not sure how long intelligent rats have been around for. I don't know if this was an abberation or the norm when they face those kind of circumstances. Maybe this was inevitable, once they started getting smarter. Either way, I don't think it's something that can be stopped anymore. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	weasley_now 2014-09-01 12:31 pm UTC (link)
	Then it is something we can only hope they become accustom to. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	pans_parkinson_ 2014-08-31 01:48 am UTC (link)
	Granger, if you start to go on about freedom for rats, I'm going to hex you. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	weasley_now 2014-08-31 02:21 am UTC (link)
	If they've reach viable cognition why should they not? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	erniedtmac 2014-08-30 09:50 pm UTC (link)
	Oh Merlin, I'm so sorry. If there's anything I can do, let me know. Private to Theodore Are you all right? I know how worried you were for them, and I know my heart would be breaking for them if it were me. If you need to talk, I'm here to listen or whatever you need. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	nottfinished 2014-08-31 12:10 am UTC (link)
	Thanks. I didn't think it'd get that bad Private to Ernie You're a really good guy Ernie, thank you. I don't know. I was supposed to look after them you know. I didn't think they'd go that far. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Private to Theodore erniedtmac 2014-08-31 12:26 am UTC (link)
	I can tell you from experience that sometimes, there's nothing you can do. You can care for them and try to show them that there's something to live for, but in the end, the decision is theirs. Doesn't make it any easier for us to accept, though. How long ago did it happen? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Private to Ernie nottfinished 2014-08-31 12:41 am UTC (link)
	Fuck, I'm so sorry. It happened Friday. I'm so sorry to bring this up for you. Sorry. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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erniedtmac
2014-08-31 02:21 am UTC (link)

Don't apologize. It's unfortunately something that has to be faced in my line of work, but the ones my heart goes out to are those who feel that way themselves. You're not bringing up anything specific at the moment, don't worry, and I've gotten pretty good with self-care so that even if you did accidentally, I have supports in place.

That's just a day, Merlin, but I'm glad you said something about it. I know with me, it's not good to keep that kind of stuff inside, but I know other people deal with things differently than I do.

How about you? How are you handling it? What are you doing to take care of yourself? And sorry if the healer in me is coming out.

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	Private to Ernie nottfinished 2014-08-31 02:15 pm UTC (link)
	Okay. But please, let me know if you can't, okay? I don't think a lot of people know that this could happen. I thought it better to warn anyone who might be in the same situation. It's fine. I'm fine. I think I might be better off looking for a different line of work though. Thank you (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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erniedtmac
2014-08-31 02:21 pm UTC (link)

I promise I'll let you know if that happens.

That's brilliant of you to think of that. I think we sometimes forget that animals are intelligent creatures too, even those who aren't bred to be highly intelligent.

Are you sure? If that's what you want, then go for it, but this is very recent - will you take some time to think about it? And make the decision when you're less emotionally charged?

My pleasure - that's what friends are for.

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	Private to Ernie nottfinished 2014-08-31 02:26 pm UTC (link)
	Thank you I don't think anyone would expect them to have progressed to the point where they would do something like that. ~~I should have known better~~ I don't think I'm the kind of person who should be in charge of the welfare of anything unable to take care of itself. Oh You're a good friend Ernie (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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erniedtmac
2014-08-31 02:39 pm UTC (link)

I think we tend to misjudge animals in general. I've heard of dogs and ducks who take their own lives in other ways, so it's not unique to intelligent rats - they probably just have more advanced methods at their disposal. And no matter what Hermione says, it's not always something you can just prevent.

I'm sorry you feel that way. If you ever want to talk more about it, and any options you want to look at, I'm here.

I try, and you make it easy.

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	Private to Ernie nottfinished 2014-08-31 02:52 pm UTC (link)
	It wasn't pleasant. And I suppose not. ~~I should have thought about it though, I knew they were in a bad way and I left the hammocks there~~ Just feels like I should have paid more attention. What kind of options? Well, thank you, but I don't think I can take the credit for your kindness. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Private to Theodore erniedtmac 2014-08-31 06:24 pm UTC (link)
	There's always options in life, it all depends on what you want to get out of it. What do you like to do? What do you do well? What places are there openings? Options everywhere. What I meant was that it's easy to be kind to someone deserving and accepting of it. Trust me, it's difficult to be kind to someone grouchy and belligerent. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Private to Ernie nottfinished 2014-08-31 08:28 pm UTC (link)
	Oh. I get what you mean. I'll let you know? It's kind of you to offer. Yeah, but I get the feeling you would be anyway. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	errordynamic 2014-08-30 11:51 pm UTC (link)
	I'd ask the mechanics of it, but I don't think I want the details. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	nottfinished 2014-08-31 12:11 am UTC (link)
	It was pretty horrific (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	errordynamic 2014-09-01 07:03 pm UTC (link)
	I'm sorry for your loss. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	nottfinished 2014-09-01 07:25 pm UTC (link)
	Thank you for the sentiment, but it wasn't really my loss. ~~It was my fault~~ (Reply to this) (Parent)

	pans_parkinson_ 2014-08-31 01:46 am UTC (link)
	~~Darling, they're just rats~~ I'm so sorry darling. I know you loved those ~~dirty creatures~~ things. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	nottfinished 2014-08-31 02:11 pm UTC (link)
	They were my responsibility Thanks Pans. How are you? I don't feel like we've spoken in a while. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	unspeakableness 2014-08-31 09:11 pm UTC (link)
	~~What the fuck?~~ Will there be a memorial service? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	nottfinished 2014-08-31 09:15 pm UTC (link)
	I don't know, I don't think so. I had to take them back to the Menagerie, I don't know what they're doing from there. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	unspeakableness 2014-08-31 09:29 pm UTC (link)
	Oh. I don't know what they'd do, either. I was going to send flowers, ~~because, as mental as this is, I und~~ but I don't know if that's appropriate or not. Or something you'd even care for. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	nottfinished 2014-08-31 09:41 pm UTC (link)
	That's kind of you. I don't know who should be the recipient but it definitely shouldn't be me. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

unspeakableness
2014-08-31 09:50 pm UTC (link)

Were they not your rats, or at least not in your care? Did you not care for them outside of food, water, and a clean place to live? If you put time and care into them, I don't see why you shouldn't be the recipient of the flowers, or at the very least condolences, but I can understand if you'd rather not receive them. Regardless, my condolences on the loss of the rats.

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	nottfinished 2014-08-31 09:52 pm UTC (link)
	That's actually precisely why I shouldn't receive them. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	unspeakableness 2014-08-31 10:03 pm UTC (link)
	~~Do you feel guilty or something? Because I highly doubt~~ ~~This is why I don't~~ I think you should, but I won't out of respect to your wishes. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	nottfinished 2014-08-31 10:26 pm UTC (link)
	Thanks (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	unspeakableness 2014-08-31 10:31 pm UTC (link)
	Welcome. (Reply to this) (Parent)