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drsevarius (drsevarius) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-09-04 14:44:00

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char: batgirl/oracle/barbara gordon, char: batman/bruce wayne, char: joker, char: robin/nightwing/dick grayson, char: starfire/koriand'r, creator: joe bennett, creator: marc andreyko

Dick and Babs: Awkward!

This is from Nightwing Annual #2 by Marc Andreyko and Joe Bennett

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freddylloyd
2009-09-06 08:15 pm UTC (link)

wasn't there only recently scans posted where Kory claimed that she didn't believe what you're saying here? Wasn't it Dick who had to say "Love should be between 2 people" because Kory was not just about not thinking sex was dirty but also thinking sex was a sign of affection that didn't need to be tied to a monogamous relationship?

I think you're recalling these scans posted in May. In this 1987 issue Dick does indeed say, “Love should be between two people,” explaining why he doesn't feel right experiencing more than the “love...as a friend” he acknowledges for Raven.

Dick's upset and probably feeling guilty over having an erotic dream about Raven, though he knows (a) she has the power to create such dreams, and (b) even his normal dreams aren't in his control. I see that as some of the irrational guilt about sex that pervades our culture, which Kory can't understand.

Kory dismisses Dick's guilt and urges him to allow himself to be more loving. She speaks primarily about emotions, only secondarily about sex: “On my world we allow ourselves to love many people...always emotionally...sometimes physically.”

It's notable that Kory isn't put off or jealous that Raven is manifesting erotic feelings toward her boyfriend—"We love the same man," she jokes. Nor does she suggest that Dick should open up and have sex with Raven (she knows he wouldn't go for that).

Instead, Kory takes her own friendship with Raven to a deeper level, one as physical as a comic book from 1987 could show: the two women swim naked beneath a waterfall together. There's the linkage between emotional openness and physical affection that Wolfman made part of the basis of Kory's character.

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sistermagpie
2009-09-06 08:40 pm UTC (link)

Ah, true. Though I still think Kory's enlightened attitudes manifest in some ways but not others. She still always reads to me as based around familiar human ideas about sex, often pretty simplified. Like here, Dick actually is having a somewhat sexual relationship with Raven--whether or not he chose it--through his dreams that she is controlling. When another woman does something similar to him, even though Dick is just as innocent, Kory does blame him for it. This isn't just not being guilty about dirty thoughts, imo. Constant hot dreams about a person very well might produce a sexual desire where before none existed.

Instead, Kory takes her own friendship with Raven to a deeper level, one as physical as a comic book from 1987 could show: the two women swim naked beneath a waterfall together.

Swimming naked under a waterfall isn't a physical relationship without a sexual component, is it? It's titiliating for a non-nudist audience, but for someone comfortable with nudity it shouldn't be any different than playing tennis in full uniform.

That's the thing with Kory. It's hard for a lot of us to take her advice and attitude seriously when her priority when you can't imagine her doing anything of which a male audience wouldn't approve.

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