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drsevarius (drsevarius) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-09-04 14:44:00

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char: batgirl/oracle/barbara gordon, char: batman/bruce wayne, char: joker, char: robin/nightwing/dick grayson, char: starfire/koriand'r, creator: joe bennett, creator: marc andreyko

Dick and Babs: Awkward!

This is from Nightwing Annual #2 by Marc Andreyko and Joe Bennett

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I need to make a list!

parsimonia
2009-09-04 07:34 pm UTC (link)

Gaaaah, it buuurrrrnnnnss!

- "If I'd known..." if he'd known, he would've dumped Kory on the spot? Dick's not that, uh, flighty.
- Makes it seems like both Babs and Dick were just killing time being with Kory and Jason Bard. I don't know, but I really cringe at the thought of the two of them just quietly pining for each other during all that time. It seems like the point of that is to build up the scale of their romance later on, but it ends up diminishing them as individuals who had their own lives, interests and relationships apart from each other.
- Did Ollie and Dinah actually know Babs back then?? I mean, there could potentially have been a connection between Babs and Dinah, given that (I think) their fathers knew each other. But Ollie? (On the other hand, I am becoming more and more interested in seeing Babs and Ollie team up.) They might've known each other as Green Arrow and Batgirl, but...
- Ohhh the awkwardness of that "Look who's here, Babs!" panel. Bruce looks especially uncomfortable, it's hilarious.
- Gaaaaah Dick cheating on Kory with recouperating!Babs gaaaaah wrong no no no no wrong. I mean, it's out of character for Dick to be such an asshole, and part of what led up to Babs and Dick's relationship in the first place was Babs adjusting to the idea of even allowing herself a romantic/sexual relationship after being injured, because as a way of coping she decided to forget about things like that. IIRC it was the "Hunt for Oracle" storyline where they confess how they feel about each other, but she asks for time first, because she has to get used to the idea again. I don't know, I liked the fact that there had been a slower build-up, instead of them just jumping in bed together.

Pretty art, though, for the most part.

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Re: I need to make a list!

shadowvalkyrie
2009-09-04 07:47 pm UTC (link)

Word on all of that! (Except the art, which I'm indifferent to.)

Especially:
Makes it seems like both Babs and Dick were just killing time being with Kory and Jason Bard. I don't know, but I really cringe at the thought of the two of them just quietly pining for each other during all that time. It seems like the point of that is to build up the scale of their romance later on, but it ends up diminishing them as individuals who had their own lives, interests and relationships apart from each other.

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	Re: I need to make a list! parsimonia 2009-09-04 07:53 pm UTC (link)
	Well, the art does get kind of bleh in places, but I like the way he does faces. Each of them has their own shape. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: I need to make a list! shadowvalkyrie 2009-09-04 08:03 pm UTC (link)
	Interesting! I like everything BUT the faces. The women's are usually all right, but Dick's face looks off all the time, and Bruce looks like a mafioso. The writing irks me a lot more, though. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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parsimonia
2009-09-04 08:10 pm UTC (link)

but Dick's face looks off all the time, and Bruce looks like a mafioso.

Heh, it's true. But I appreciate the fact that each face is structured differently, you know? Oftentimes you'll just see one standard format for men's faces and one for women's, with, like, different coloured hair and eyes, and possibly wrinkles. Here it looks like each person has an individually-shaped head and facial features.

The writing irks me a lot more, though.

Gosh yes.

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	Re: I need to make a list! shadowvalkyrie 2009-09-04 10:48 pm UTC (link)
	Well, I have to confess I often prefer clone-face syndrome to melty-face syndrome, but true, the art here isn't remotely that bad. (Dick still looks weird, though.) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: I need to make a list! parsimonia 2009-09-04 10:56 pm UTC (link)
	I don't think I've really seen much of his art other than this, come to think of it, so I'm not really the best judge. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: I need to make a list! kingrockwell 2009-09-05 03:20 am UTC (link)
	What about his work on Birds? His godawful work on Birds? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: I need to make a list! parsimonia 2009-09-05 03:18 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, him! LOL! I guess I never paid much attention to his name. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Re: I need to make a list! kingrockwell 2009-09-04 08:40 pm UTC (link)
	Considering it's Joe Bennett, the art is surprisingly not-horrible, isn't it? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	bluefall 2009-09-04 09:18 pm UTC (link)
	A good enough colorist can do wonders for disguising shit pencilling (see also: B&tO). (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	scottyquick 2009-09-04 09:47 pm UTC (link)
	Dude, way to steal a post I was going to make Sunday ;_; Although I wouldn't say the pencilling was shit so much as the coloring was fantastic. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

bluefall
2009-09-05 12:57 am UTC (link)

Well, Lopez isn't shit the way Bennett is shit, but I would definitely still class it as somewhat shy of competent. There's a lot of stylistic inconsistencies (totally Plastic Man cartoon faces from normal humans in the same panel with detailed realism), wobbly linework (particularly in terms of oddly-positioned or oddly-sized limbs or inconsistently sized waists and musculature), and bizarre art choices (apparently Grace's weird punk hairstyles are a heretofore unknown sexually transmitted disease rather than any kind of statement about a character's personality).

Plus, excessive female ass thrusting. That never wins points with me.

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	Re: I need to make a list! jarodrussell 2009-09-05 01:43 am UTC (link)
	Did Ollie and Dinah actually know Babs back then?? No. Ollie was dead when Dinah met Barbara as Barbara. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: I need to make a list! parsimonia 2009-09-05 03:17 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, but Ollie wasn't dead when Babs was injured, right? Even so, it wouldn't make sense for Ollie and Dinah to be sending her a card at that point in time. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: I need to make a list! kingrockwell 2009-09-05 04:21 pm UTC (link)
	Maybe Bruce went around the superhero community to garner support for her? A longshot, I know, but why not? They like to show up in droves when one of their own goes down... (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: I need to make a list! parsimonia 2009-09-05 04:31 pm UTC (link)
	But that might involve revealing her secret ID, which...okay, not entirely unprecedented for Bruce to do, but considering how guarded Babs was about it at the start of her Oracle career, I'm not sure that would add up. (On the other hand, Ollie et all knowing what happen would make some of Ollie's monologuing in Identity Crisis make sense, and we can't have that!) (Reply to this) (Parent)

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