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richardak ([info]richardak) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-08-02 05:23:00

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Entry tags:char: black racer, char: captain atom/nathaniel adam, char: death of the endless, char: nekron, char: phantom stranger, creator: cary bates, creator: greg weisman, publisher: dc comics, title: captain atom

Captain Atom Does Not Have a Near-Death Experience...

In a comment to scans recently posted by [info]espanolbot depicting a meeing between Tim Hunter and Death, [info]volksjager  mentioned an appearance that Death made in Captain Atom #42. So I decided to post the relevant scans. First, though, I thought I should offer some explanation of what's going on here.

Captain Atom #41 to #43 contained a story-arc that I have to confess I didn't really understand when it first came out; as story about metaphysics and spirituality seemed so out of place in a title that was usually concerned with covert ops, conspiracies, politics, and intrigue. After a while, I began to understand what I believe Bates and Weisman were doing here. You see, Captain Atom is very different from just about any (pseudo-)science-based hero, but similar to some of the more magically-oriented characters like the Spectre in one critical respect: his story begins with his death. It doesn't matter whether we're talking about the silver age Charlton version or the iron age DC version, or for that matter Watchmen's Dr. Manhattan. Simply put, they were transformed into super-beings when their mortal bodies were destroyed, the event normally termed death.

As an aside, I always thought that fact made Dr. Manhattan's statement that there was no difference between a live body and a dead one to be oblivious to the point of absurdity, since Dr. Manhattan/Captain Atom is pretty much walking proof of the existence of the soul. Bates and Weisman, however, were the only storytellers to do anything with that aspect of the character.

What they did with it is this story: Cap is manipulated into, in essence, committing suicide so that he can be with his dead wife Angela. The Black Racer collects his soul and leads him to the beginning of his journey into the afterlife, where he meets another version of death:





I think it's interesting that he feels the need to cover up in front of her. More on that after the next page. It's also interesting to note that he can still transform into Captain Atom, even though he is now just a disembodied spirit.

I also think it's interesting that the compassion, the release, that she's offering him seems pretty clearly to be erotic in nature. Or so I infer from the fact that he pulls away from her, telling her that he's married. I suppose this interpretation was probably an inevitable consequence of depicting death as an attractive young woman. I think the same implication was there in Death: The High Cost of Living, in that I think it was at least in part because he was attracted to her that Sexton kept following her around the whole day.



Next, Cap has to ascend through Purgatory, where he gets some help from a stranger and then runs into the soul of Rick Flagg, whom Cap helps make it through the purging of the sin of sloth. They eventually make it to the top, where they find themselves in the Garden of Eden, where Flagg is reuinted with Karin Grace and Cap with Angela Randall Adam Eiling (long story). They are happy for a moment, before she tells him that he has to go back.

And so Cap meets the third and final incarnation of death, Green Lantern's old enemy Nekron.

In the following issue, Cap does battle with Nekron. Also, in a later issue, Cap meets the Black Racer yet again, and ends up fighting him too, although for a different reason. I'll be happy to post scans from both issues if people are interested.


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[info]shanejayell
2009-08-02 11:39 am UTC (link)
Neil Gaiman pretty much disapproves of this story. It was written without consulting him and contradicts what he sees as the Endless verson of Death.

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[info]endis_ni
2009-08-02 12:27 pm UTC (link)
Ah, that makes sense. There's a story with Death in featuring Urania Blackwell (buggered if I can remember the name of it, it's in the third Sandman trade) where Death very specifically explains that she's not merciful release or anything of the kind, she just is.

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[info]jlbarnett
2009-08-02 01:27 pm UTC (link)
DC's aid Gaiman can daclare his Death as the ultimate vesion of Death when he purchases DC. Which I think it a good answer.

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[info]shanejayell
2009-08-02 02:13 pm UTC (link)
"DC said Gaiman can declare..."

Anyway...

My understanding is that Gaiman owns part of Death, Morpheus/Sandman and other characters he created, and that it would have been nice if he was consulted. And if they didn't agree with Neil, they could just use a different character as 'merciful Death.'

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[info]aaron_bourque
2009-08-02 07:02 pm UTC (link)
I kind of imagine this is a different character. I mean, where's her flour skin? Her sunglasses?

Her hat?

Supercalifragiliciousexpialidocious doesn't make her Gaiman's Death. Possibly an aspect or creation of Death--just as Dream makes nightmares and dreams to do his bidding on occasion. I mean, even DEATH can't be everywhere.

There are cells dying all the time, millions a second, right now. Is she there to collect them? I can imagine enormous events, like the deaths of solar systems, or galaxies, or segments of the multiverse are treated like maybe self-help seminar and she's the MC or a hot club and she's the bouncer. But for really mundane stuff? There's no way she could keep her sunny disposition, the poor lass would frazzle herself stupid.

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[info]nagaoka
2009-08-03 01:41 am UTC (link)
Why wouldn't she be? A death is a death. Why would they think of cells as mundane? Even in Endless Nights in Destiny's chapter it even mentions how Destiny's book holds all the movements of atoms and galaxies but how he finds little difference between them. It's the same thing with death, I would imagine.

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[info]arbre_rieur
2009-08-02 10:42 pm UTC (link)
They asked Karen Berger, the editor on SANDMAN, for permission, and she okayed it.

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[info]xandertarbert
2009-08-02 01:29 pm UTC (link)
Death the Endless is kinda hard to pin down from my view in this regard. While she's said to be the death that just is, she's almost always portrayed as some aspect of mercy. Just being plain death doesn't entail showing up for anybody and talking to them about anything, but even for the most lowly of souls she'll chat for a few minutes and point them in the right direction.

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[info]icon_uk
2009-08-02 01:35 pm UTC (link)
That's not mercy though, that sociability. "Mercy" suggests she's there to take away pain or lessen suffering, but that's not her job.

She's not just there for the merciful releases, we see her being there for accidental deaths where mercy wasn't remotely involved, a kid hit by a car, a woman killed by a bad power cable, a mother who fell while changing a lightbulb in her kids room.

Just because she's a generally nice person doesn't make her merciful.

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[info]merseybeatler
2009-08-02 01:39 pm UTC (link)
Exactly. She's just there to remind them that yes, well, it is how it is. That's usually enough to comfort them even if their death was totally random or undesired.

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[info]icon_uk
2009-08-02 01:30 pm UTC (link)
It's called "Masques" and here's the moment

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[info]aaron_bourque
2009-08-02 07:14 pm UTC (link)
It's called "Facade" and there's the moment.

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[info]icon_uk
2009-08-02 07:22 pm UTC (link)
Bugger, that's twice I've made that mistake about it... Thanks for the catch!

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[info]thanekos
2009-08-02 04:21 pm UTC (link)
well, Captain Atom's about the only one here who makes any conclusion about Endless!Death's nature, so I just figure no one bothered to correct him.

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[info]silicone_soul
2009-08-02 03:59 pm UTC (link)
For a bit of added irony, Greg Weisman's own version of Death in Gargoyles was closer to Death of the Endless than this.

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[info]icon_uk
2009-08-02 05:07 pm UTC (link)
Which episode did Death show up in Gargoyles?

And Death being a pleasant encounter (socially, if not necessarily metaphysically) has been in everything from the original "Twilight Zone", to "Touched by an Angel"

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[info]silicone_soul
2009-08-02 05:12 pm UTC (link)
The second season episode "Grief."

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[info]icon_uk
2009-08-02 05:25 pm UTC (link)
Thanks, I see Anubis was voiced by the always marvellous Tony Jay. If Death can't sound like Christopher Lee, Tony Jay will do very nicely.

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[info]arilou_skiff
2009-08-02 06:06 pm UTC (link)
Heh, to me he has always been, if not death, Mortality.

"I am that which walks with all life. My voice is a death rattle, a last breath in the throat, the whisper of a dying man."

"Does he MATTER to you?"
"He matters more to me than life!"
"THEN DIE."

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