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richardak ([info]richardak) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-08-02 05:23:00

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Entry tags:char: black racer, char: captain atom/nathaniel adam, char: death of the endless, char: nekron, char: phantom stranger, creator: cary bates, creator: greg weisman, publisher: dc comics, title: captain atom

Captain Atom Does Not Have a Near-Death Experience...

In a comment to scans recently posted by [info]espanolbot depicting a meeing between Tim Hunter and Death, [info]volksjager  mentioned an appearance that Death made in Captain Atom #42. So I decided to post the relevant scans. First, though, I thought I should offer some explanation of what's going on here.

Captain Atom #41 to #43 contained a story-arc that I have to confess I didn't really understand when it first came out; as story about metaphysics and spirituality seemed so out of place in a title that was usually concerned with covert ops, conspiracies, politics, and intrigue. After a while, I began to understand what I believe Bates and Weisman were doing here. You see, Captain Atom is very different from just about any (pseudo-)science-based hero, but similar to some of the more magically-oriented characters like the Spectre in one critical respect: his story begins with his death. It doesn't matter whether we're talking about the silver age Charlton version or the iron age DC version, or for that matter Watchmen's Dr. Manhattan. Simply put, they were transformed into super-beings when their mortal bodies were destroyed, the event normally termed death.

As an aside, I always thought that fact made Dr. Manhattan's statement that there was no difference between a live body and a dead one to be oblivious to the point of absurdity, since Dr. Manhattan/Captain Atom is pretty much walking proof of the existence of the soul. Bates and Weisman, however, were the only storytellers to do anything with that aspect of the character.

What they did with it is this story: Cap is manipulated into, in essence, committing suicide so that he can be with his dead wife Angela. The Black Racer collects his soul and leads him to the beginning of his journey into the afterlife, where he meets another version of death:





I think it's interesting that he feels the need to cover up in front of her. More on that after the next page. It's also interesting to note that he can still transform into Captain Atom, even though he is now just a disembodied spirit.

I also think it's interesting that the compassion, the release, that she's offering him seems pretty clearly to be erotic in nature. Or so I infer from the fact that he pulls away from her, telling her that he's married. I suppose this interpretation was probably an inevitable consequence of depicting death as an attractive young woman. I think the same implication was there in Death: The High Cost of Living, in that I think it was at least in part because he was attracted to her that Sexton kept following her around the whole day.



Next, Cap has to ascend through Purgatory, where he gets some help from a stranger and then runs into the soul of Rick Flagg, whom Cap helps make it through the purging of the sin of sloth. They eventually make it to the top, where they find themselves in the Garden of Eden, where Flagg is reuinted with Karin Grace and Cap with Angela Randall Adam Eiling (long story). They are happy for a moment, before she tells him that he has to go back.

And so Cap meets the third and final incarnation of death, Green Lantern's old enemy Nekron.

In the following issue, Cap does battle with Nekron. Also, in a later issue, Cap meets the Black Racer yet again, and ends up fighting him too, although for a different reason. I'll be happy to post scans from both issues if people are interested.


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[info]amazingman
2009-08-02 11:02 am UTC (link)
I'm with Richardak. The Captain Atom series still stands as one of the best overall comics series I've ever read. In fact, it's almost painful to read when you realize that nothing comes of it ever. It's fifty issues of sheer brilliance, and then the lead is reduced back into a walking (sometimes flying) military cliche and stereotype.

No one ever mentions his children, his courtship and marriage to a criminal he helped to redeem got tossed to the side of the road for no reason I can think of other than lazyness, it just HURTS.

But while you read it, it is amazing.

Plus, it gave us two things that truely stood out. 1.) You read it and you can see exactly why Nathanial Adams was originally going to be the Monarch. It's so perfect in it's execution it's insane. 2.) The series gave us General Wade Eilling. The most Magnificent Bastard in the DCU this side of Amanda Waller.

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[info]btravage.livejournal.com
2009-08-02 09:07 pm UTC (link)
Was the Wildstorm series a disappointment?

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[info]amazingman
2009-08-03 12:23 am UTC (link)
Yes and no. Overall, I thought it was pretty good. There were parts of it that were weird, and didn't quite mesh. Nate's characterization was, well, off, but that's been true for years. Plus, Captain Atom suffered from sudden Pre-Crisis Superman Syndrome for weird reasons. But generally speaking I liked it. It was fun to read. I wouldn't call it a must read, though.

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[info]richardak
2009-08-03 12:52 am UTC (link)
Again, I do and do not agree with amazingman. When I first read the miniseries, I enjoyed seeing Cap again but I didn't really get what was going on, because I was unfamiliar with the Wildstorm universe. Also, I was annoyed that the writer decided to have Cap and Plastique broken up off panel. That being said, after I read it a few more times, I had a better understanding of what was going on, and I liked it a lot. I also changed my opinion of Cap's characterization, which I now think was essentially correct. So I think it's worth reading, but it's definitely not the place to start.

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[info]amazingman
2009-08-03 02:53 am UTC (link)
I'll definitely agree with the annoyance at Cap and Plastique being dealt with off-panel. On the other hand, their marriage hadn't been mentioned since Extreme Justice when they got married. And, remember, by the time the Wildstorm series hit, Plastique had already started appearing again as a villain. So, in a way, I was kind of glad that they were willing to even address it instead of just ignoring it.

On Cap's characterization, I don't have a problem with the one they used, but it's not the one from the original Captain Atom series. That being said, they haven't used that one since the end of issue 50 of his series.

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[info]richardak
2009-08-03 12:49 am UTC (link)
I agree wholeheartedly with everything you've said here except this: "You read it and you can see exactly why Nathanial Adams was originally going to be the Monarch. It's so perfect in it's execution it's insane." I never thought that made any sense whatsoever, and I thought it wrecked the character. Frankly, I think a lot of other DC superheroes would have made much more sense as Monarch. My argument for that is too long to get into here, but I'm working on a post on my new blog, wretchedretch.blogspot.com, on this subject. (I hope it's okay I'm plugging my blog here; I couldn't find any rule against it.)

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[info]ashtoreth
2009-08-03 01:38 am UTC (link)
You can plug your blog in a separate post if you want. Once is okay. Just remember to include a scan(preferably relevant) and the tag "shameless self-promotion"! :D

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[info]richardak
2009-08-03 01:45 am UTC (link)
Understood. But there's nothing shameless about this self-promotion. I have to say, I'm pretty ashamed of myself. Thanks for answering though.

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[info]amazingman
2009-08-03 02:46 am UTC (link)
It's the Cambodian story that does it. At the end of that story line, Nate's faith in humanity and their ability to make their own decisions is basically gone. At that point, which if I remember right was right about when Armageddon 2001 was going on, it made perfect sense. Nate hits a complete low, no longer believes that humans can make their own decisions, starts interfering more and more, the JLA and others set out to stop him, he fights back, becomes Monarch and begins wiping out the rest of the heroes so they can't stop him from directing humanity.

And then we found out it was Hawk.

**crickets chirp**

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[info]richardak
2009-08-03 02:51 am UTC (link)
The Cambodian story? Do you mean issue #47? That's not how I read that story at all, but maybe I was missing something. Can you post scans of what you're referring to? Thanks in advance.

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[info]amazingman
2009-08-03 02:57 am UTC (link)
No, it's in the mid 20's. And I might be remembering it wrong, it might not be Cambodia. He heads off to a country on orders from the government, works with one side, finds out about the atrocities both sides are committing, so he starts rounding up both sides weapons, destroys them, and then both sides start picking up rocks and sticks and keep right on killing each other.

Unfortunately, I moved recently, so most of my comics are still in storage, so I can't provide scans.

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[info]richardak
2009-08-03 04:26 am UTC (link)
Oh yeah. That was somewhere in Central America (as Metropolis or Gotham is to New York, this country was to Nicaragua), not Cambodia. I actually posted a couple of scans from that issue myself. (They're the third and fourth ones down.) But that was way before Armageddon 2001, and I don't read that story as causing Cap to lose his faith in humanity, nor to incline him to become Monarch. Just the opposite, in fact; he learned that for all his power, he couldn't solve the world's problems, and he had to let people work things out for themselves. That hardly seems to me as though it would incline him toward taking over the world. That's just my reading, though.

Incidentally, it's great talking to another Cap fan, and I have the whole series, so if there are any scans you'd like me to post, please feel free to ask.

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