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Tweak says, "I LOST THE GAME!!!"

pyrotwilight (pyrotwilight) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-04-03 01:06:00

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char: alfred pennyworth, char: batman/bruce wayne, char: lois lane, char: robin/nightwing/dick grayson, char: supergirl/kara zor-el, char: superman/clark kent, char: tomorrow woman/clara kendall, char: wonder girl/troia/donna troy, char: wonder woman/diana of themyscira, title: trinity

Trinity #44

Geeze, Clark, Bruce, I've seen you guys have great dickery moments before, but nothing like this. If only she also said "I won't be just a memory". XD Go Tommie!

This my friends is badass. Blasting the dieties who you need for survival and are a many times more powerful than you? Awesome. Blasting them with the memories of your tormented mind as well as those of their friends and families feelings? Badass.

Blah blah blah. Some talk about Tommie not belonging to this world and everyone gets into an argument.

Finally! Fixed her!

Hmm...but what's exactly happened to Tommie?

Also I kind of like the conundrum. They might be dickish but they literally have the power to fix the world of course then we start into the how do you decide what needs fixing...still a great Tomorrow Woman issue. Seems she's here to stay but still the rest of Trinity will show if that's true or not.

Awesome. Y/Y?

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icon_uk
2009-04-03 04:33 am UTC (link)

STOP THAT BUSIEK. Just STOP.

Yeah, and he might have said it was important for Dick Grayson to have a father than Alfred to be Bruce's Dad. They didn't, get over it.

Look, you don't like him using Tresser in this, fine, we get that, I'm not that hot on it myself as I liked Tresser in his solo stoey and Suicide Squad days and this iteration has never seemed like him.

Is it "paper thin"? Perhaps, but it's THERE, and complaining just about every single week about Busiek actually USING a character that he actively made a choice to use (for better or worse) is a hiding to nothing.

Narratively it would be worse to build him up and then NOT mention him at key moments. If he were to "stop now", you'd end up with a complete clusterbollocks like Countdown, where character relations consistency between issues was a moot point.

Plus I'd also throw in that "lover" does NOT always means someone you've had sex with, it can just mean someone you love. Not as common these days, but still in use.

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bluefall
2009-04-03 09:03 am UTC (link)

Narratively it would be worse to build him up and then NOT mention him at key moments. If he were to "stop now", you'd end up with a complete clusterbollocks like Countdown, where character relations consistency between issues was a moot point.

So... it's better for Beechen to stick by his Cass characterization and write a whole mini to further entrench it than to realize that that first storyarc was a mistake and alter his portrayal? It's better for Gail to stay with the "Diana's a directionless moron" characterization from the Heinboot than to write her well? It's better for Bedard to say "Shado is Connor's mother, I wrote it now I'm going to stick with it" and make a point of that in further issues? It's better for Tomasi to keep Dick useless, fail-y and weak in order to have issue-to-issue consistency with RIP and prior runs of NIGHTWING?

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icon_uk
2009-04-03 09:41 am UTC (link)

Citing your own subjective assessments of other writers decisions doesn't really advance your case, you have to look at it from the POV of the writers. Beechen and Hein..thingie both wrote what they felt they should be writing, and stuck to that. Do I think it worked? Hell no, but THEY did.

Busiek chose to use Nemesis, is it the same take on Nemesis as Hein-sisname had been using and Gail inherited, not quite, nor would I expect it to as they are three different writers.

I would have a lot LESS respect for Busiek if he either radically changed Nemesis personality halfway through the story for no reason, or mysteriously dropped him with no explanation as to why. He's done neither, he's stuck to his own guns and his own take on Nemesis, and I can't fault a writer for choosing to do that, though I can of course, disagree with the results of the choice they made.

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bluefall
2009-04-03 10:21 am UTC (link)

Beechen, actually, said that he'd gotten Cass wrong, and that he considered his mini to be his "redemption," his chance at fixing his mistake and making it up to the fans. Bedard immediately owned up to the Connor error. Should Beechen have realized he did it wrong and then moved on to keep doing it? Should Bedard have decided "oh well, I made that error, but it's in print now, that's what I'm going to have to go with"?

You're utterly, completely overstating both the need for a commitment to an error in a writer (which is nonexistent) and the effect of stepping away from an error by a writer on the story (which can only be for the *good* of the thing). "Radically changing Nemesis' personality" halfway through the story would be bad, yes. So would abruptly deciding to make the story about the Crazy Adventures of Black Orchid and abandoning the whole Trinity concept. I'm really not seeing what either of those actions has to do with the argument. If Busiek wanted to stop glaringly undercutting his whole premise and kicking suspension of disbelief in the crotch with the portrayal of Diana/Tresser as as significant a relationship as Alfred/Bruce or Clark/Lois, all he has to do is... stop doing that. Give that line to Donna, and have Tresser hang back kind of meaninglessly in that scene the way, y'know, Dick does. Have him kind of tag along after the others collect him and not be the driving force of the "get through to the Trinity" program the way, y'know, Kara does. Have him contribute to the thing the way, y'know, Tommie does. She's a major part of this scene, and she manages to pull it off without any kind of pretending that she's ZOMGsuperimportant! to any of the Trinity.

It's too late to get rid of him, sure. It's not too late to stop highlighting his false connection to Diana with glitter and sparkles just to make it as obvious as possible that the wrongness is still in full force. It's not to late to stop making it worse.

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