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pyrotwilight ([info]pyrotwilight) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-04-03 01:06:00

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Entry tags:char: alfred pennyworth, char: batman/bruce wayne, char: lois lane, char: robin/nightwing/dick grayson, char: supergirl/kara zor-el, char: superman/clark kent, char: tomorrow woman/clara kendall, char: wonder girl/troia/donna troy, char: wonder woman/diana of themyscira, title: trinity

Trinity #44




Geeze, Clark, Bruce, I've seen you guys have great dickery moments before, but nothing like this. If only she also said "I won't be just a memory". XD Go Tommie!



This my friends is badass. Blasting the dieties who you need for survival and are a many times more powerful than you? Awesome. Blasting them with the memories of your tormented mind as well as those of their friends and families feelings? Badass.

Blah blah blah. Some talk about Tommie not belonging to this world and everyone gets into an argument.



Finally! Fixed her!



Hmm...but what's exactly happened to Tommie?

Also I kind of like the conundrum. They might be dickish but they literally have the power to fix the world of course then we start into the how do you decide what needs fixing...still a great Tomorrow Woman issue. Seems she's here to stay but still the rest of Trinity will show if that's true or not.

Awesome. Y/Y?


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[info]bluefall
2009-04-03 12:29 am UTC (link)
Y'know, I don't think it is that important that Tresser have a lover, since as far as we know he doesn't. STOP THAT BUSIEK. Just STOP. Frankly even without the painful paper-thin absence of foundation for Tresser being here, it's a far, far better literary choice to say "for Donna Troy to have a sister," since Donna frequently hasn't, and the bizarre mess of her relationship with Diana provides a far more poignant set of complications to the question "are they wrong" than freakin' Tresser.

In other, non-Wondy news...

Hmm...but what's exactly happened to Tommie?

Either she's human now or she's a robot now would be my guess - our version was a robot, but the Clara Kendall version was a mutant human, right? (I could be wrong, that was many issues ago and about the time my attitude toward the title was shifting.) So maybe they made her herself here (hence a robot, hence different for her), or maybe they made her human (if she were a robot in the false reality).

I think she's back for good at any rate. That's a lot of panel time to go to someone who's really got nothing at all to do with the ostensible storyline or its ostensible main players to just throw out by the end of the series.

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[info]pyrotwilight
2009-04-03 12:38 am UTC (link)
Yeah. Even in WW the farthest they've gone is kissing. Kinda odd.

Hmm. Human or android. I'd like either. Hoping for android though.

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[info]philippos42
2009-04-03 03:13 am UTC (link)
Anyway, he could get back together with Eve Eden if he has to have a fairy princess girlfriend. They've both gone through a lot, but it would probably still be less work for more payoff than whatever mindfuck Di is running on him.

Note: I don't believe Diana is really a lesbian experimenting, as some fans might claim. I just don't quite buy her with Tom.

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[info]icon_uk
2009-04-03 04:33 am UTC (link)
STOP THAT BUSIEK. Just STOP.

Yeah, and he might have said it was important for Dick Grayson to have a father than Alfred to be Bruce's Dad. They didn't, get over it.

Look, you don't like him using Tresser in this, fine, we get that, I'm not that hot on it myself as I liked Tresser in his solo stoey and Suicide Squad days and this iteration has never seemed like him.

Is it "paper thin"? Perhaps, but it's THERE, and complaining just about every single week about Busiek actually USING a character that he actively made a choice to use (for better or worse) is a hiding to nothing.

Narratively it would be worse to build him up and then NOT mention him at key moments. If he were to "stop now", you'd end up with a complete clusterbollocks like Countdown, where character relations consistency between issues was a moot point.

Plus I'd also throw in that "lover" does NOT always means someone you've had sex with, it can just mean someone you love. Not as common these days, but still in use.

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[info]bluefall
2009-04-03 09:03 am UTC (link)
Narratively it would be worse to build him up and then NOT mention him at key moments. If he were to "stop now", you'd end up with a complete clusterbollocks like Countdown, where character relations consistency between issues was a moot point.

So... it's better for Beechen to stick by his Cass characterization and write a whole mini to further entrench it than to realize that that first storyarc was a mistake and alter his portrayal? It's better for Gail to stay with the "Diana's a directionless moron" characterization from the Heinboot than to write her well? It's better for Bedard to say "Shado is Connor's mother, I wrote it now I'm going to stick with it" and make a point of that in further issues? It's better for Tomasi to keep Dick useless, fail-y and weak in order to have issue-to-issue consistency with RIP and prior runs of NIGHTWING?

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(no subject) - [info]icon_uk, 2009-04-03 09:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bluefall, 2009-04-03 10:21 am UTC

[info]jlbarnett
2009-04-03 06:16 am UTC (link)
no she was yanked apart by one of the reality storms and was a robot..

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[info]pyrotwilight
2009-04-03 09:10 am UTC (link)
I think Busiek said in that part even Tommie was shocked and that it wasn't clear if she was a human mutant or android in the altered verse.

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(no subject) - [info]gwalla.livejournal.com, 2009-04-03 12:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyrotwilight, 2009-04-03 12:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gwalla.livejournal.com, 2009-04-03 04:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyrotwilight, 2009-04-03 04:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bariman1987, 2009-04-03 06:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gwalla.livejournal.com, 2009-04-03 11:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bwmedia.wordpress.com, 2009-04-04 09:34 am UTC
Sorry blufall...
[info]icon_uk
2009-04-03 08:00 am UTC (link)
I should like to pre-emptively apologise to bluefall for the phrasing of my last post.

Whilst I stand by the underlying message of it, the wording was poorly thought out and could easily be viewed as short tempered at best, or even downright rude, which I try not to be to fellow posters. I'll try for better in the future.

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Re: Sorry blufall... - [info]bluefall, 2009-04-03 10:42 am UTC
Re: Sorry blufall... - [info]schmevil, 2009-04-03 12:20 pm UTC

[info]saralakali
2009-04-03 08:43 am UTC (link)
a far, far better literary choice to say "for Donna Troy to have a sister,"

It would give a third sort of relationship. We already have the romantic partner relationship represented by Superman.

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[info]janegray
2009-04-03 09:23 am UTC (link)
I actually like Diana/Tom (yes, he was an annoying jerk at first, but those were the same issues where Diana couldn't pump gas and didn't know what a credit card is; can't we just ignore that idiotic characterization and judge the characters for the way they are acting now? Since Gail started writing WW, I quite like Tom and his interactions with Wondy), but I have to admit, I too would have preferreded it if they had said "for Donna Troy to have a sister."

Family before boyfriends, please. Bruce gets his "father", and Lois is good for Clark because they have been married for years, but a guy who has known Diana for just a few months shouldn't take precedence over her sibling.

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(no subject) - [info]bluefall, 2009-04-03 10:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]schmevil, 2009-04-03 12:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyrotwilight, 2009-04-03 12:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]schmevil, 2009-04-03 12:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyrotwilight, 2009-04-03 12:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]schmevil, 2009-04-03 12:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyrotwilight, 2009-04-03 12:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]schmevil, 2009-04-03 12:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyrotwilight, 2009-04-03 12:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bariman1987, 2009-04-03 06:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyrotwilight, 2009-04-03 10:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]schmevil, 2009-04-03 10:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]schmevil, 2009-04-03 10:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bluefall, 2009-04-03 01:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]retro_nouveau, 2009-04-03 09:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]unknownscribler, 2009-04-05 05:49 am UTC

[info]arbre_rieur
2009-04-03 01:28 am UTC (link)
And the minute Tomorrow Woman showed up on a cover, the online fans went nuts. I had no idea she was that popular. So we found other things for her to do, and she turned out to be a great character to have in the cast.
Busiek in an interview with Wizard (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/011809busiektrinity.html)

This sounds like cause for us to worry. It sounds like her original role was going to be as minor as Black Adam and Green Arrow's. If her large presence is only due to fan demand, its doubtful that Busiek and Nicieza's outline has her alive at the end.

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[info]statham1986
2009-04-03 03:49 am UTC (link)
If they've already altered the stories to have her around longer than they planned because of fan demand, then surely it's not that much of a stretch to imagine that Busiek might've left her alive at the end of all this? He seems a touch more savvy than some in the industry just by suggesting they kept her around longer than intended, so I think he might not be will to risk people not picking up whatever he works on next if he kills her off.

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[info]squirle
2009-04-03 05:31 am UTC (link)
So... Lois wants her husband, but he can't be with her. So he gives her Tomorrow Woman as a gift? Hmmm...

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[info]bluefall
2009-04-03 12:04 pm UTC (link)
Clara Kendall does have Clark Kent's city, day job, and secret ID initials. It seems entirely plausible and fitting that she should be given Clark's One True Love as well.

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(no subject) - [info]pyrotwilight, 2009-04-03 12:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2009-04-03 02:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]halloweenjack, 2009-04-03 04:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyrotwilight, 2009-04-03 04:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]unknownscribler, 2009-04-05 05:51 am UTC

[info]unknownscribler
2009-04-05 05:50 am UTC (link)
The art actually makes it look like he turned Lois into Tomorrow Woman

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[info]xdoop
2009-04-03 06:33 am UTC (link)
Images from new comics shouldn't be outside the cut.

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[info]pyrotwilight
2009-04-03 07:15 am UTC (link)
Hmmm...apparently correct, alrighty.

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[info]greenmask
2009-04-03 10:18 am UTC (link)
I don't know who she is, but she has neat hair.

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[info]pyrotwilight
2009-04-03 10:27 am UTC (link)
She does indeed! Fun earrings too. :D

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[info]kaileighblue
2009-04-03 12:19 pm UTC (link)
I have no idea what I'm looking at.. and Until the last page I thought that green chick was Lois. I fail at DC.

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[info]pyrotwilight
2009-04-03 12:21 pm UTC (link)
It's never too late to learn of Tomorrow Woman! She does kinda look like Lois sadly when they're shown side by side but they're not of course.

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[info]shanejayell
2009-04-03 05:52 pm UTC (link)
I hope they keep her around. :)

Otherwise, this series has been "meh."

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[info]pyrotwilight
2009-04-03 09:36 pm UTC (link)
It really would be. The main story doesn't grab me as much. But maybe that's because they had to change a bunch of stuff to expand on Tommie. Hope the TPB's give some info on the original intent of Trinity.

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[info]randyripoff
2009-04-03 11:46 pm UTC (link)
The one thing I am digging about Trinity is that while very little is happening--and really, did anyone expect anything to actually happen here--at least there's enough activity to keep things interesting.

Mind you, part of me wishes that Busiek had chosen to tell four separate stories in chunks of 13 rather than one long weekly story, but still--well, it's better than Countdown, right?

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[info]arbre_rieur
2009-04-04 01:40 am UTC (link)
Very little happening has always been the biggest flaw of Busiek's writing. The guy can't do a major event to save his life. I don't mean he can't do it well, I mean he simply can't do it, period. People went gaga over his Avengers run only because it had been so long since the book felt like proper Avengers that a return to an iconic line-up and iconic storytelling became an event in and of itself.

But look past that, and you soon see how unimportant in the grand scheme his stories were. The core concept of the book when he started was still the same core concept when he left. Nobody died, there were no big events, the title didn't have any major ramification on the greater Marvel universe, etc.

This is especially noticeable when you compare it to Bendis's Avengers. As bad as Bendis's work on the book is, in just his first few issues, he gave us Dissambled. And for all that storyline's flaws, it's undeniably more of a foundation-shaking event then all of Busiek's run put together. The Avengers in Bendis's hands is, without a doubt, an important book. Quality of the stories aside, Bendis is giving us Big Events, capital B, capital E, something it never felt like Busiek was even trying to do.

At least with Bendis's run, you can genuinely say the Avengers' world will never be the same again. Who can say that about Busiek's run?

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(no subject) - [info]jlbarnett, 2009-04-04 06:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bwmedia.wordpress.com, 2009-04-04 09:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2009-04-04 05:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]arbre_rieur, 2009-04-04 05:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jlbarnett, 2009-04-04 07:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyrotwilight, 2009-04-04 08:37 pm UTC


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