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Tweak says, "how'd you get so desperate?"

s (atrophy) wrote in rooms,
@ 2014-07-23 01:25:00

Entry tags:

*journal, eddie nigma, sam wilson, steve rogers

Sam W, Eddie N
[Locked to Sam W]
Sam?

[Locked to Eddie N]
As far as I could gather, no changes with Ms. Stacy.

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	Re: eddie/steve atrophy 2014-07-23 07:09 am UTC (link)
	I see. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: eddie/steve riddlethem 2014-07-23 07:10 am UTC (link)
	Innnteressting. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: eddie/steve atrophy 2014-07-23 07:11 am UTC (link)
	Neat. [More seriously.] Do you think they'll come to the same conclusion as you? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: eddie/steve riddlethem 2014-07-23 07:13 am UTC (link)
	I'm not sure, honestly. I've only recently felt included in the bat family and it feels like someone threw me a fucking parade. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: eddie/steve atrophy 2014-07-23 07:14 am UTC (link)
	I'm glad they're finally giving you the chance you deserve, Eddie. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: eddie/steve riddlethem 2014-07-23 07:18 am UTC (link)
	Well, I appreciate you giving me a chance, too. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: eddie/steve atrophy 2014-07-23 07:29 am UTC (link)
	You charmed me with checkers, is how it went. Frankly, I'm more judgmental than you think. Don't thank me. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: eddie/steve riddlethem 2014-07-23 07:30 am UTC (link)
	I was hoping it was the Chaplin impression. Is that something you believe or something someone told you? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: eddie/steve atrophy 2014-07-23 07:34 am UTC (link)
	Chaplin will always charm me. More so than Keaton, if you can believe it. I enjoy sentimental. Both. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: eddie/steve riddlethem 2014-07-23 07:35 am UTC (link)
	Which one do you think was better with the ladies? And, what lead you or others to this conclusion? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: eddie/steve atrophy 2014-07-23 07:37 am UTC (link)
	[A laugh, but not even a pause.] Chaplin. If by better you mean 'flocked to.' He didn't have much luck keeping them, I don't think. A dearth of compassion as illustrated several times over, I believe. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: eddie/steve riddlethem 2014-07-23 07:39 am UTC (link)
	I wonder why that is? Too smart? Too funny? Too famous? I don't think you lack compassion, Dreamy. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Re: eddie/steve atrophy 2014-07-23 07:38 am UTC (link)
	[Hurried.] Which is not meant to sound flippant. I'm not flippant. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: eddie/steve riddlethem 2014-07-23 07:40 am UTC (link)
	Flippant is my bread and butter. I don't even see it anymore. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: eddie/steve atrophy 2014-07-23 07:41 am UTC (link)
	There are a lot of reasons to admire Charlie Chaplin. A lot of reasons I related to him for most of my life. But his treatment of women? Not one of them. [...] I do often. I was talking to Selina. She said I'm too harsh in my judgments of other people, because I keep standards too high for anyone to reach. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

Re: eddie/steve

riddlethem
2014-07-23 07:46 am UTC (link)

Poor treatment of women has nothing to do with keeping them around. Gotham is proof of that. But, I agree.

Theoretically speaking, let's say I screw up. I take a risk in your door that doesn't pay off and blows up in everyone's face. If I apologized and tried to make it right, would you shun me? Would you never trust me again? Or would you accept the apology for what it was?

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atrophy
2014-07-23 07:50 am UTC (link)

I meant more generally. From what the papers said, he was a womanizer. He especially liked taking on a ingenue. [Such disappointment.]

[...] I think it depends on what sort of risk it was, if people were hurt, killed. Not that I want to quantify pain. Just [...] there are degrees of screwing up. I think I would accept the apology, but I might not be very nice about it.

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Re: eddie/steve

riddlethem
2014-07-23 07:57 am UTC (link)

Indeed. [Blink.] Though, I married a woman more than 10 years younger and used to have two girlfriends at a time, so I can't say that I'm one to judge.

As someone who is good friends with Batman, I think a lot needs to be earned. I think being nice is a tactic rather than a true emotion. Maybe you are judgmental and harsh, but it should inspire people to try harder.

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atrophy
2014-07-23 08:01 am UTC (link)

We all have flaws. His were just made public. Which isn't me excusing him. Just recognition.

I don't think people need to earn respect or trust from the get-go. But if they lose it, it does need to be earned back. [...] I'd rather be neither. As much as I think bland acceptance of a person in their entirety, and their flaws, can lead to a sort of stasis, you can't tell someone that and expect them to agree. I want people to aspire. I think they can become better. But maybe it's not my call—or my place to try and get them to see that. Maybe I am overly self-righteous. I'm certain, however, that you didn't come here to talk to Captain America about how much of an ass he can be.

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riddlethem
2014-07-23 08:12 am UTC (link)

It's difficult, especially when dealing with adults. I have a hard time trusting people, Steve and it's always been easier treating people who don't impress me like children. The people I do trust, the ones I care about, I tell them how I feel and it doesn't always work out very well.

Oh, stop Dreamy. You get a free pass anytime you want to tell me what it's like being Captain America. I have no idea. I think it's interesting and frankly, there's not a lot of people through my door that carry the same kind of burden you do. One day I'm going to need an impartial person to talk to about being Riddler and I hope maybe I could count on you for it.

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atrophy
2014-07-23 08:35 am UTC (link)

You didn't tell me. Keaton or Chaplin?

No. But, that's what it's like with people, isn't it? The good thing, sometimes. We can't control them. They make their choices and we ours, and we hurt each other a lot, but hopefully, we learn from it. Maybe that's old-fashioned, but it's what I like to think anyway. I don't know if it would be much fun talking to someone who agrees with you all the time. [...] Trust is hard. It really is. I understand the pitfalls—and the reasons so many shy away from it, because you can get hurt so easily and with such depth. I can also see why some would feel it earned. It is a jump to vulnerability again. It probably keeps people alive, that suspicion. But I [...] can't help but feel it's doing a disservice to others, to distrust them on sight or to have no respect for them or their dignity as other humans. [Sorry, Thor, he forgets.]

I told Selina I didn't think Banner's heart was in the right place. That didn't turn out very well either.

I'm your man, Eddie, whenever you need me.

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riddlethem
2014-07-23 08:48 am UTC (link)

It was a trick question. Chaplin made women miserable and women made Keaton miserable.

But, if you disagree with someone too often, a lively conversation can quickly turn into resentment. [Blink.] I come from a city where you don't trust anyone and you don't expect anyone to trust you. I've abused trust, I've hurt people and I've had the same happen to me just as often. I can't trust anyone right away, I'm not programmed for it. So, it makes me try to earn trust instead of demand it right off the bat. And, people who do expect to be trusted right away come off as suspicious.

Now that was a mistake. She's very protective over him even if I think it's silly to be at this point. I told her I felt disrespected and she didn't try to prove me wrong, so that's something.

Thanks, Steve.

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atrophy
2014-07-23 09:04 am UTC (link)

I'm a simple man, Eddie. You can't do that to me. No preference—when it comes to their films?

That's true. I don't know if I know where the line is. [...] That makes sense. When it comes down to it, it's an incredibly stupid thing to do, but that's never stopped me before. Do people often expect it there? Or demand it?

It is. I know she knows he's being negligent. I've gotten some show of her [...] claws before. She wasn't mean about it. She just [...] I don't think she understood what I meant. That's what led to telling me my high standards were hard to live with and that I was hard on Banner. I can't even disagree.

Of course.

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	Re: eddie/steve riddlethem 2014-07-23 09:14 am UTC (link)
	Hmm. Chaplin was more clever. Keaton had more heart. The Batfamily demand it of each other. They want to be loved, respected, trusted and saved even if they don't take the time to get to know each other. Well, I have very low standards and Banner disappointed me. [Blink.] Have you talked to him lately? Are you going to avoid this whole mess? I think I am. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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atrophy
2014-07-23 09:22 am UTC (link)

Keaton always seemed to have less to me. The Little Tramp is sentimental, sad—he's clever too, but I was always more fond of Chaplin. Maybe I found him more relatable.

[...] Is that why it took so long, for you to get in their so-called good graces?

I spoke with him only briefly today and was included in another lock with him that he hasn't responded to. I don't think I can avoid it. I'm a confrontational guy. But I don't know what there is to be done about it from this end. Selina asked me to look in on him when he gets back. He acted bizarrely in their conversation, she said. But I wasn't given much detail. I'm not good at talking to him.