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Tweak says, "idjits"

Fingolfin | Ñolofinwë Aracáno (nolofinwe) wrote in compass_network,
@ 2013-06-30 18:50:00

Entry tags:

!open, maryanne walker (oe), ~clint barton (comic)

I must say that I am glad that Vinyamar is on the sea, as these hot days set in.

And I should like to say again that all but the dragonriders and their beasts are free to use the beaches around Vinyamar as it pleases them. Please, keep yourselves cool. Mortal bodies are so weak.

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	Anairë \| Fingolfin anaire 2013-07-01 12:03 am UTC (link)
	Why do you intentionally draw their ire? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Anairë \| Fingolfin nolofinwe 2013-07-01 12:04 am UTC (link)
	How do I draw their ire by allowing them to use our beaches? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Anairë \| Fingolfin anaire 2013-07-01 12:06 am UTC (link)
	By pointing out their weakness. You wear my face. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Anairë \| Fingolfin nolofinwe 2013-07-01 12:07 am UTC (link)
	But it is a weakness. There is no judgement in my words. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Anairë \| Fingolfin anaire 2013-07-01 12:12 am UTC (link)
	Do they care? Nay. They see only a slight and that further weakens our relations with them. Choose your words more wisely, Anairë. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Anairë \| Fingolfin nolofinwe 2013-07-01 12:20 am UTC (link)
	They take no care in addressing us. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Anairë \| Fingolfin anaire 2013-07-01 12:25 am UTC (link)
	I'm aware. And neither do we associate with them, as such. But anything else is petty. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Anairë \| Fingolfin nolofinwe 2013-07-01 12:32 am UTC (link)
	I was trying to be accommodating. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Anairë \| Fingolfin anaire 2013-07-01 12:39 am UTC (link)
	You must learn patience and understanding. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	mommastark 2013-07-01 12:25 am UTC (link)
	I wasn't aware we needed permission, but thank you for your concern and the kind offer. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	nolofinwe 2013-07-01 12:32 am UTC (link)
	You are quite welcome. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	maryanne_walker 2013-07-01 03:16 am UTC (link)
	I wasn't aware that the beaches were yours to dole out permission to. And last I checked Elvish bones cru- You bleed like the r This is exactly why monarch rule was abolished in more than half the Earth. You think too much of yourself. Last I checked your rule was over the Elves that reside in the castle, not over anything else. Land or sea. (Reply to this) (Thread)

turukano
2013-07-01 03:30 am UTC (link)

Forgive me, father, for interrupting. ~~I know~~

Vinyamar reaches down to the sea, Lady Maryanne, it's protected by a sea wall. I designed it that way. My family neither seeks to control the seas nor the land others dwell on, but limit who crosses Vinyamar's borders uninvited.

We have a right to privacy as surely as those who dwell in the city do. That's what my father speaks of.

~~Please don't look for a fight with him.~~

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maryanne_walker
2013-07-01 03:50 am UTC (link)

I'll concede that point. If anyone came into Honolulu Height's garden uninvited they'd be met with tooth and claw. Questions would come after.

You might want to counsel him on this 'mortal' bullshit. I'm not the only one that's tired of hearing it. And I'm not the only one whose emotions are being held back by a tiny thread. And an unleashed emotion like anger, can be very dangerous thing.

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turukano
2013-07-01 03:57 am UTC (link)

As is your right to defend your home.

It isn't my place to counsel my father on anything. But you need not resort to such threats, I assure you. I don't understand the offense humans take at the descriptor 'mortal.' As it is descriptor and not a defining characteristic. We do not take offense at being called 'immortal' as it were, though there are some among us who have given up their immortality. Or 'elvish' instead of 'Noldor.' They are only terms.

If you could explain to me, perhaps?

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	like_a_hawk 2013-07-01 04:00 am UTC (link)
	Saying we're mortal ain't what she's pissed about, saying we're inherently weak only because we're mortal is what gets us mad. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

turukano
2013-07-01 04:04 am UTC (link)

You aren't weak in spirit by any means, but compared to other immortals--not only the elves--you are weak in body. You die of sickness. Did not the healers just call to have you all given vaccinations? We do not need those things, we are immune to them.

That isn't a slight against you, but a truth. I know there are extraordinary humans on this island and in other worlds. The terms don't include them.

And in turn, elves are capable of dying of grief, dying of battle wounds. Is that not also weakness? It's relative.

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like_a_hawk
2013-07-01 04:13 am UTC (link)

Even if that's true you have no right to look down on us because of it. We're all living beings who will do everything we can to keep this place we've all been shoved on to as livable as possible and if you discredit an entire population just because you think you're better because of some weakness or lack there of you're going to end up in trouble.
So if you want to think us weak go ahead, we're never going to agree on that, but if you think that we should be counted out and viewed as nothing because of it you're going to be in a world of hurt the next time this island wants to make something attack it. Because I know we helped with those robots.
Not to mention the fact that those of us who are extraordinary, like Maryanne or Cap or hell even Wilson, are more often than not grouped in to the same title as people like me who are 'normal' humans if only because they live in the city or look like us.

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turukano
2013-07-01 04:18 am UTC (link)

Forgive me, I'll backtrack and re-iterate. Calling you mortal isn't a judgment on your worth, or your skills. It's a descriptor. Some of you are mortal, but being mortal doesn't make you inherently weak. You have proven that, as you say, time and again.

And we knew it well before we came here, as Men have fought in our wars at our sides, and have long been our friends.

Many of us don't understand the hostility between the kindreds. Mortal isn't worse than 'immortal.' We don't use it to belittle you.

Save perhaps the Lord Maedhros, but his reasons are deep, and my mother has never met a mortal before coming here.

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like_a_hawk
2013-07-01 04:25 am UTC (link)

You say you don't mean it as a judgement but the way it's used, very often does. Even up there, there was no need to point out any kind of weakness, he could have just said stay safe and cool. None of us would have been bothered by it, but pointing out our weakness makes it judgement. It makes it seem like he doesn't believe we're so weak we can barely survive on our own. Which isn't the case.
If you want to have those feelings, fine, I'm not trying to make anyone change their mind because I know I'm not eloquent enough or able to stay clear headed long enough to do that. But if you, or any one else does have those opinions, keep them to yourselves, we don't need or want the constant reminder that many of your people think you're better than we are.