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Tweak says, "And eyes and ears..."

Fingolfin | Ñolofinwë Aracáno (nolofinwe) wrote in compass_network,
@ 2013-06-30 18:50:00

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!open, maryanne walker (oe), ~clint barton (comic)

I must say that I am glad that Vinyamar is on the sea, as these hot days set in.

And I should like to say again that all but the dragonriders and their beasts are free to use the beaches around Vinyamar as it pleases them. Please, keep yourselves cool. Mortal bodies are so weak.

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like_a_hawk
2013-07-01 04:13 am UTC (link)

Even if that's true you have no right to look down on us because of it. We're all living beings who will do everything we can to keep this place we've all been shoved on to as livable as possible and if you discredit an entire population just because you think you're better because of some weakness or lack there of you're going to end up in trouble.
So if you want to think us weak go ahead, we're never going to agree on that, but if you think that we should be counted out and viewed as nothing because of it you're going to be in a world of hurt the next time this island wants to make something attack it. Because I know we helped with those robots.
Not to mention the fact that those of us who are extraordinary, like Maryanne or Cap or hell even Wilson, are more often than not grouped in to the same title as people like me who are 'normal' humans if only because they live in the city or look like us.

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turukano
2013-07-01 04:18 am UTC (link)

Forgive me, I'll backtrack and re-iterate. Calling you mortal isn't a judgment on your worth, or your skills. It's a descriptor. Some of you are mortal, but being mortal doesn't make you inherently weak. You have proven that, as you say, time and again.

And we knew it well before we came here, as Men have fought in our wars at our sides, and have long been our friends.

Many of us don't understand the hostility between the kindreds. Mortal isn't worse than 'immortal.' We don't use it to belittle you.

Save perhaps the Lord Maedhros, but his reasons are deep, and my mother has never met a mortal before coming here.

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like_a_hawk
2013-07-01 04:25 am UTC (link)

You say you don't mean it as a judgement but the way it's used, very often does. Even up there, there was no need to point out any kind of weakness, he could have just said stay safe and cool. None of us would have been bothered by it, but pointing out our weakness makes it judgement. It makes it seem like he doesn't believe we're so weak we can barely survive on our own. Which isn't the case.
If you want to have those feelings, fine, I'm not trying to make anyone change their mind because I know I'm not eloquent enough or able to stay clear headed long enough to do that. But if you, or any one else does have those opinions, keep them to yourselves, we don't need or want the constant reminder that many of your people think you're better than we are.

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turukano
2013-07-01 04:41 am UTC (link)

We don't have those feelings. It's.. grievous that we have presented ourselves that way. My only daughter married a mortal man. ~~If we thought less of you he would have nowhere near her.~~

I'm doing a poor job of explaining. ~~Forgive me I ramble.~~ If you bear with me while I-

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Men have been in the world for little over three hundred years in our understanding. And admittedly three hundred years is no time at all when you reach our ages.

But the point, truly, is that we the Exiled Noldor have extended our hands in friendship to mortal Men and have aided them since their dawn of existence. We have showed Men civilization and helped build their own. We do not think less of you. Mortal men are our brothers and sisters. The only thing that separates us are the fates of our spirits.

You go onward and we do not.

We have ten thousand years of history before Men come into existence. Tell me.. tell me how we might forget that? How we might conceive of ourselves in comparison to such a younger race as Men?

Tell me how immortal beings might change ideas they've had of themselves for ten thousand years?

Is it easier for men to change their ideologies? To change their thoughts? I don't know many Men. I knew but two before Tuor came into my city. He is the third I have ever known. Men confuse me a lot of the time.

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like_a_hawk
2013-07-01 04:49 am UTC (link)

I'm not telling you to change the way you feel or the way you look at us. I know I'll never be able to do it. I'm just asking you to watch the way you express it a little more. Because obviously if none of you feel that way but we think you do something is wrong with the way your kin are expressing their opinions. If there's no need to point out a weakness, or to point out your superiority, don't. That simple change will make interaction a lot easier.

And we're a lot older than 300 now.

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	turukano 2013-07-01 04:52 am UTC (link)
	I'll certainly take your words into consideration. I don't mean to offend anyone either. But often it's hard to know what to say. There are many.. sensitivities I and my kin are unfamiliar with. I do not speak for my family, as it were, but I will share the message with them as I can. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

like_a_hawk
2013-07-01 05:00 am UTC (link)

Thank you.

And I realize that some of the issue may be our part, humans have been around about 140,000 years now and since day one we've had a tendency to isolate and hate those we don't look or act like. They call it discrimination and I think we've maybe become sensitive to it because It's been such a major part of our culture for many hundreds of years. And discrimination comes down, most often, to things we have no choice of, the color of our skin or they type of person we love so when we feel like we're being looked down on for something we have no choice or control over, there's a very real and very strong emotional response. So I apologize if maybe we've made the wrong conclusions too.

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	turukano 2013-07-01 05:05 am UTC (link)
	Valar, we have 140,000 years of history to catch up with. Might you find it in your spirits to forgive us our ways until we do learn these things. The world is young still where we are from. I saw the first rise of the Sun and Moon but five hundred years ago. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	like_a_hawk 2013-07-01 05:13 am UTC (link)
	That may be the toughest issue to overcome, we all come from very different places with different histories and views on the world, being shoved together like this ain't gonna be easy for anyone. Hell I'm only from 30 years behind most of the people here and there are still massive culture differences to get used to. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	turukano 2013-07-01 05:17 am UTC (link)
	Tolerance, I think, is a hard thing to find and live with. And that is our biggest struggle. We cannot expect each other to change overnight. Or even in a year. Or ten years. Thirty years is not long in our eyes. We come of age at fifty. Half the life of some Men. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

like_a_hawk
2013-07-01 05:29 am UTC (link)

And I think that's why it's easier for us to adjust. When your lives are shorter, things happen faster, culture changes with every generation so when things change so dramatically after ten or fifteen years you learn to just take things as they are and move on. If it'a not an idea your kin is used to I can understand it might be harder.

It's not unheard of for men to look at their world and change their opinions over time, sometimes only a few months or a year, and certainly in ten.

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turukano
2013-07-01 05:34 am UTC (link)

It's very difficult. You're right, the lives of Men do change quickly where elves do not. We learn of something about you, and before we've had time to think on it properly and accept it, it changes again. We are in a constant cycle of renewal with our understandings and they never settle quickly.

And we are stubborn, the elves. I say that freely and with true knowledge. But when you live a certain way for so long it's hard to change.

The world passes us by.

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	like_a_hawk 2013-07-01 05:39 am UTC (link)
	We can be stubborn too but I think over the decades and millennia we've learned, as a culture, to deal with that. I think as long as there is mutual effort to understand each other we may be able to have an easier time with each other. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	Clint maryanne_walker 2013-07-01 04:23 am UTC (link)
	I think you're pretty damn extraordinary. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Maryanne like_a_hawk 2013-07-01 04:26 am UTC (link)
	Nah, not compared to half the people here. I'm fine with it. But... thanks. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Clint maryanne_walker 2013-07-01 04:37 am UTC (link)
	Come on, how many people here could shoot a tick off of a dog and never come close to touching the dog? I've heard you could do it blindfolded. And very few people can calm me down when my focus is off, enough for me to shift without having to strain my mind to do it. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Maryanne like_a_hawk 2013-07-01 04:40 am UTC (link)
	A tick would be too small. Maybe a fly. Though I couldn't without my eyes anymore. I might be glad for that one though. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Clint maryanne_walker 2013-07-01 04:53 am UTC (link)
	Semantics. There's only one other that can do what you do, and he happens to be an alternate universe you. Oh yeah? Even if I had to tell you that I'm now sitting naked in the middle of the meadow, because of it? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Maryanne like_a_hawk 2013-07-01 05:18 am UTC (link)
	Well, I try not to hurt too many flies, apparently that's a sign of being a bad guy. Actually that might make it better. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Clint maryanne_walker 2013-07-01 05:34 am UTC (link)
	Me either. I tend to catch them in cups and let them outside. Hah! ~~It's pretty lo~~ You do realize it means I have a very long naked walk home, right? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Maryanne like_a_hawk 2013-07-01 05:41 am UTC (link)
	Spiders too? I could bring you some clothes? Promise I'll shield my eyes. ~~Most of the time~~ (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Clint maryanne_walker 2013-07-01 06:09 am UTC (link)
	Yes, but those I throw the cup on, squeal like a girl for a few minutes and shiver. Then the slip of paper goes under the cup. Or... You could come join me? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Maryanne like_a_hawk 2013-07-01 06:13 am UTC (link)
	Spiderman could make a killing with a spider removal hotline. Which direction do I head in? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Clint maryanne_walker 2013-07-01 06:33 am UTC (link)
	You know, I'd think he'd be afraid of spiders, considering. Hah! I don't know, where are you? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Maryanne like_a_hawk 2013-07-01 07:15 am UTC (link)
	I think he's grown to appreciate them. Not far from the tower. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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