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Maryanne Elizabeth Walker (maryanne_walker) wrote in compass_network,
@ 2013-06-23 02:13:00

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!open, jake sully, maryanne walker (oe), ~isabel lane, ~tony stark

Three key quotes that everyone should know and take to heart. Because there are far to many people who think themselves smart, or 'wise', on this island, yet close themselves off to learning anything new about anyone or anything.

"The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool."
-William Shakespeare

“To know that you do not know is the best. To pretend to know when you do not know is a disease.”
-Lao-Tzu

"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing."
-Socrates

They all three say close to the same thing. And all three men knew what they said to be true about themselves.

My question is, are you going to die the fool? Or will you become wise before you die?

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maryanne_walker
2013-06-23 07:24 pm UTC (link)

It's simply a plea for people who consider themselves wise to open up their minds, and stop shutting doors. Or realize the attempt to open one door doesn't mean they have to slam another shut after setting fire to the bridge behind it less than a month after the bridge had been built.

I don't consider myself wise or important, I'm just trailer trash from south Alabama. But I'm just... Running into a brick wall while trying to do right by other people. It's hard not to just write the 'brick walls' off as a lost cause, and knowing they'll be gone tomorrow. Tomorrow being any day that isn't today, rather than... You're smart I don't know why I'm explaining that part.

I might contract a wall with a bunch of good quotes on it. You've been around a long time, haven't you Mister Gray? Would you mind helping me collect a few?

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	hedonism 2013-06-23 08:49 pm UTC (link)
	I don't really care what you consider yourself, nor do I think the State you're from has any weight on the definition of your character. What I do think, is that you're using quotes that mean "listen" to speak. And the only brick wall I see here is yours. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	maryanne_walker 2013-06-23 09:38 pm UTC (link)
	Coming from a man that doesn't seem to see very far from his own nose, I don't see how you would even see my brick wall. Have a good stay here Mister Gray. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

hedonism
2013-06-23 11:24 pm UTC (link)

Your response to someone who dares disagree with you is to dismiss them entirely - how are you doing anything but proving me right?

"La la la - not listening!! GOOD DAY TO YOU" is pretty fucking evident of an unwillingness to listen to others if I've ever seen.

And all I suggested was that you shouldn't generalise about where you're from, or judge others - lest you be judged.

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	Dorian \| Tony tonystark 2013-06-23 11:35 pm UTC (link)
	I was going to send you a snapping gif, but I know how you feel about tumblr. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Dorian \| Tony hedonism 2013-06-24 12:05 am UTC (link)
	Well. Now she can raise her hand when she's asked if she feels personally victimised by Dorian Gray. I was only trying to suggest that listening is a better tactic than misrepresenting quotations to disprove your own argument. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Dorian \| Tony tonystark 2013-06-24 12:06 am UTC (link)
	We should have some sort of commemorative list made up. (Reply to this) (Parent)

maryanne_walker
2013-06-23 11:40 pm UTC (link)

Actually I dismissed you the moment you got here. You see, I've read portrait of Dorian Gray. I only answered you in attempt to be polite. And learned that I was correct in dismissing you.

I simply decided the opinion of someone as two dimensional as you are, unworthy of my time, because you've been here all of five seconds and you're already reading between lines that aren't there. And you think yourself witty in doing so.

And I offered you a good stay, because I have no reason to speak to you any farther.

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hedonism
2013-06-23 11:52 pm UTC (link)

Darling, it doesn't surprise me that you misinterpreted my book like you misinterpreted those quotes - if you don't understand the complexities of living without perceived guilt or accepted remorse; of hedonism and the importance of being earnest and living for pleasure without impediment or judgement - I don't know what to tell you.

It rains on the moral and amoral alike - it's learning that there is no difference that's the real trick, and until you do - as those quotes said, you know nothing.

Basing your opinion of me on what you thought was true it, officially the highest form of intolerance and ignorance.

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maryanne_walker
2013-06-24 05:49 am UTC (link)

Actually I didn't misinterpret your book, or the quotes, you're just reading it that way. Because like so many people you see lines that aren't there. And then look for the things between them.

I see no point in arguing with a man that either doesn't have the ability, or the want, to feel guilt or remorse. It would be like talking in circles, you might enjoy it but it gives me a headache, and I feel rather stabby when I get a headache. If not bitey, clawy and bonecrunchy.

Also, I don't feel the need to explain myself to someone who's been here five seconds, someone who either doesn't know or doesn't care about the plight of the rest of the island. So lets put things simply, you're not my tea and crackers, sweetheart, and lets move on. If you were, I would have talked to you before now. I'm neither saying your way of life is wrong, or that you need to change it, I'm just saying I'm not interested.

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	doriangray 2013-06-24 01:05 pm UTC (link)
	...Yet you expect someone else to explain themselves to you or you call them out as a jackass and a fool -- and tell me you know me better than I know myself. How is that anything but the same willing ignorance you're complaining about in others? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

maryanne_walker
2013-06-24 01:12 pm UTC (link)

Again, reading things into what I say really gets pretty boring for me. Nowhere did I say 'explain yourself'. To anyone. Nor did I claim to know you better than you know yourself. But I will tell you, you're coming off pretty foolish considering you don't know what's going on.

Tell me, Mister Gray, this feminine thing you do, where you put information into other peoples words that isn't there: Is it something you always do? Or am I simply lucky?

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	hedonism 2013-06-24 01:30 pm UTC (link)
	Are you always this misogynistic? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	maryanne_walker 2013-06-24 01:37 pm UTC (link)
	No, I just dislike that all the coy attempts that have men trained to see things that aren't there. Especially when they really aren't there. To me The means The, and it should stay The. There shouldn't be kittens hiding in the letters. It makes talking to people harder than it really should be. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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tonystark
2013-06-23 11:57 pm UTC (link)

It's The Picture of Dorian Gray. You're thinking of A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man. It's an easy mistake to make. But harder if you've actually read the book. Either way, allow me to make an important distinction: while the picture was two-dimensional, that doesn't mean that the individual depicted was.

In any case, you would be wise to note that your argument has devolved into the logical fallacy known as an Ad hominem attack, presumably because you didn't like his point, but found yourself unwilling or unable to counter it with logical arguments or salient facts. But I suppose in your defense, it would be difficult to argue against it, as you have now repeatedly demonstrated that you are quite unwilling to hear what he has to say, and seem to think you already know better. Than Dorian, yes, but also than the specific people whom you think are not sufficiently open-minded, by criteria you have yet to disclose.

Which was, more or less, his original point.

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	Tony \| Dorian hedonism 2013-06-24 12:08 am UTC (link)
	Tony, she isn't going to listen and you don't need to make enemies - she already has her mind made up to hate me, so leave it. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian tonysnark 2013-06-24 12:14 am UTC (link)
	I might need to make enemies. I had a lot back home. Not having any here feels wrong somehow. I don't know where everyone is getting this idea that they know who you are, or why you do what you do. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian hedonism 2013-06-24 12:57 am UTC (link)
	We've talked about this before, she isn't proving her point, she's attempting to disprove my humanity to render me invalid because I disagree. It's the oldest trick in the book. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian tonystark 2013-06-24 01:02 am UTC (link)
	It's a dumb trick from a fucked-up book. I've known plenty of people with less humanity than you who still got full credit for being human. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian hedonism 2013-06-24 01:08 am UTC (link)
	I just don't see the point of making any sort of argument that you can't support under scrutiny. It's just worse that this was...about ignorance. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)