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Tweak says, "Once. You."

Maryanne Elizabeth Walker (maryanne_walker) wrote in compass_network,
@ 2013-06-23 02:13:00

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!open, jake sully, maryanne walker (oe), ~isabel lane, ~tony stark

Three key quotes that everyone should know and take to heart. Because there are far to many people who think themselves smart, or 'wise', on this island, yet close themselves off to learning anything new about anyone or anything.

"The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool."
-William Shakespeare

“To know that you do not know is the best. To pretend to know when you do not know is a disease.”
-Lao-Tzu

"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing."
-Socrates

They all three say close to the same thing. And all three men knew what they said to be true about themselves.

My question is, are you going to die the fool? Or will you become wise before you die?

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maryanne_walker
2013-06-24 06:13 am UTC (link)

Actually no, I was thinking because there is a 'Portrait' a painting, rather than a photograph that it was the 'The Portrait of Dorian Gray'. I read it sixteen years ago, I imagine there's a little room for error. I've never read A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man. He might be interested that said painting is actually here, by the way. It's been here since November, or that's what Cutler's notes say.

Unwilling would be more truthful, I had a very strong, and very long argument typed out. But part of me remains the lady my grandmother tried to teach me to be, so rather than argue with someone pointlessly, I simply decided it would be easier and less of a headache to simply bow out, simply because he felt the need to read into what I was saying rather than read what I was actually saying.

I'm not your typical woman, Mister Stark, I say no when I mean no and yes when I mean yes. Fine is still dangerous territory though.

And as for the 'Specific people whom I think are not sufficiently open-minded', I have had fingers pointed at me in the very worst way possible. In the way that meant almost sure death, once I got tired of being stubborn and trying to escape it. Good or bad I'm not going to point fingers or list names, on pain of death, because it was done to me. The people who aren't sufficiently open-minded, know who they are, if it was your business, or his for that matter, you would know who they are. And if what I said made others think I was speaking to them, or about them... Well that's hardly my fault, especially if I haven't bothered to speak, or share words with them in any form.

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tonystark
2013-06-24 05:23 pm UTC (link)

Where is the portrait? I would like to pick it up and put it somewhere safe.

But don't you see what you're actually saying? You're not saying no when you mean no and yes when you mean yes. You're saying, "anyone who doesn't realize that they know absolutely nothing is an idiot," while also saying, "I know enough to tell certain people that they know nothing, and that they should behave differently." You're saying everyone is an idiot, but holding yourself above this as someone who knows that others are idiots.

You actually have bothered to speak and share your words with them. With a passive-aggressive, indirect callout in which you pointed fingers at everyone but yourself. The way you said this, and the things you've since said to Dorian, indicate that you have no interest in opening your own mind.

You stated, explicitly, that you wrote Dorian off the moment he got here, without even speaking to him, based on something you read in a book. What is that, if not prejudice? You can say that it was a book about him, and you'd be correct, but that doesn't mean it tells his whole story. It doesn't tell you who he is now, or who he's trying to be. You also made some pretty broad statements about women, men, and people from your home state in defending your point.

The only person in this post who has been making unfair judgements, Miss Walker, is you.

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maryanne_walker
2013-06-24 10:51 pm UTC (link)

Now why would I tell you something like that?

Actually I'm saying exactly what I said. I'm not spelling something out that's not there. I'm not raising myself up above anyone. I'm not even saying "they" should change. The only thing that may be written in the original words that isn't exactly there, is the plea to open their mind. Not one single person that answered this post was in my mind when I wrote it.

I said the first young man was, but that was a blatant lie, because he gave me reason to attack him. As he attacked someone I happen to care about, someone one that did little to him besides state that she spoke a language that he didn't. I felt the need to be a bitch, and knock him down a peg or two.

I never said anywhere that I wasn't closed off. I know I close myself off. Once you're here a little while you'll understand a little better why I do. But, I will say, that Mister Gray said himself that he was a man that lived without guilt or remorse. Why would I want to share myself with someone like that, let alone want to learn anything about him? I'll be the first to admit that I'm often a glutton for punishment, but I'm not that much of a glutton. I'm not going to put myself out to someone who is more likely to reticule me, as he has done when I simply tried to release myself from conversation with him, for my trouble.

There's not a soul in this place that judges themselves more harshly than I do. In fact Elladan~~, and Mister Gray both~~ chided me for doing just that. I wasn't defending myself I was simply stating what I see as fact about myself. I don't see myself as wise, what wisdom do I have to impart to do so?

But as through with him as I tried to be, I think I'll depart from conversation with you, as well. You both will read into things what you wish to, no matter what I say. ~~I could be saying something as simple as the grass is green, and I'm sure there would be some quarrel with it.~~ There's little point in trying to change an opinion that wont be changed, and so I'm not going to talk in circles with you anymore. Have a good stay here Mister Stark.

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tonystark
2013-06-25 01:54 am UTC (link)

It doesn't matter why you close yourself off. The point, really, is that you were being closed off while encouraging others to be open. Now you're telling me that you have reasons to close your mind, but that doesn't matter. Everyone who closes their mind thinks that they are right to do so.

I understand that you are a mutant. Mutants have gone through hell, and I get that. I won't comment on your experiences with that except to say that I know they were hellish, and I'm sorry you had to experience them. But your bad experiences don't make you immune to being shitty in the same ways. Magneto being a classic example.

And you still won't address the issues. All you're talking about is why I should trust your word, and why I shouldn't trust his. None of this supports any argument. You're not even arguing with me, really. You're just telling me you can't be wrong because your life was sadder than his. I mean, my dad didn't love me. Does that mean I can never be prejudiced or wrong about anything because something shitty happened to me once?

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	Tony \| Dorian hedonism 2013-06-25 01:56 am UTC (link)
	Tony. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian tonystark 2013-06-25 01:58 am UTC (link)
	Sorry. I'll stop. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian hedonism 2013-06-25 02:09 am UTC (link)
	She's not worth you getting upset. And neither am I. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian tonystark 2013-06-25 02:16 am UTC (link)
	I'm not upset. I'm fine. And if I were, you're as good a reason as any. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian hedonism 2013-06-25 02:21 am UTC (link)
	... You shouldn't say things like that about me. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian tonystark 2013-06-25 02:34 am UTC (link)
	Why? You're the only person here I know. You're the only person here who has done anything for me. You're the only person here whose opinion actually makes a damn bit of difference to me. Even the people from my world here don't know me as well as you do. I'll be upset about whatever I like. But I'm not upset. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian hedonism 2013-06-25 02:42 am UTC (link)
	You know I'd do anything for you. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian tonystark 2013-06-25 03:03 am UTC (link)
	I know. I believe you. Even though you keep telling me not to. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian hedonism 2013-06-25 03:08 am UTC (link)
	I just -- living with myself isn't easy, Tony and I don't know if -- disappointing you wouldn't be good for me. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian tonystark 2013-06-25 03:16 am UTC (link)
	You shouldn't worry about that so much. Disappointing me. I've given my friends far more reasons not to trust me than you've given me not to trust you. And they still do it. Honestly, I probably deserve to be disappointed. But I don't think you're going to. I really don't. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian hedonism 2013-06-25 03:20 am UTC (link)
	I'm going to worry, it's impossibly important to me. You don't understand. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian tonystark 2013-06-25 03:31 am UTC (link)
	What don't I understand? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian hedonism 2013-06-25 03:33 am UTC (link)
	.... Tony, I'm worried that we're here because of me. I'm worried I brought us here. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian tonystark 2013-06-25 03:35 am UTC (link)
	I blew up a dead earth and have been jetting around the multiverse for the past several months trying to keep my universe from collapsing in on itself while possibly creating world ending paradoxes, and you think you're responsible? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian hedonism 2013-06-25 03:36 am UTC (link)
	Yes. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian tonystark 2013-06-25 03:38 am UTC (link)
	I think it would be hard to make a case for that. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian hedonism 2013-06-25 03:42 am UTC (link)
	You only say that because you don't understand. You don't know what I'm capable of. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian tonystark 2013-06-25 03:45 am UTC (link)
	You've introduced me to some of your capabilities. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian hedonism 2013-06-25 03:49 am UTC (link)
	...I'm a vicious, jealous person and I -- I tried so hard not to -- but I just -- I couldn't help it. I just thought about how better it would be if I had you without ~~Ste~~ all the distractions, if I had you to myself. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Tony \| Dorian tonystark 2013-06-25 03:59 am UTC (link)
	... you think you wished us here. Because you wanted to be alone with me. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)