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Cullen Bohannon (cullen_bohannon) wrote in compass_network,
@ 2015-11-25 01:18:00

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!open, izzy, ~cullen bohannon, ~izzy shaw, ~jason murphy

I have a question: Did anyone announce, before they took up residence somewhere, that they were going to and where? I was under the impression that everything here was free, as long as it didn't belong to someone else first.

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maryanne_walker
2015-11-25 08:45 am UTC (link)

Actually the only reason why it was announced that part of the beach was going to be cordoned off for naked people was so anyone that didn't want to see naked bodies wouldn't go behind the fence to find out what was going on and be surprised.

The only time I say anything about using space, or anyone else has said anything about using space, is when they're inviting the whole island.

There is no queens, kings, Czars, or otherwise, to ask permission from. And anyone that wants to jump up and say 'no you can't do this here' I'll quickly tell you otherwise, and I wont be nice.

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jasonmurphy
2015-11-25 09:07 am UTC (link)

It'd also be surprising to find someone living in a space that used to be for everyone. I'm not even saying that's the case. He's probably talking about a private space.

I didn't say anything about permission either. The question was about an announcement. I took that to mean a notice to let people know what's going on. And I said no. I only thought an announcement would be used if it's going to affect the rest of us.

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	maryanne_walker 2015-11-25 09:35 am UTC (link)
	It wouldn't be if you'd lived here as long as I have. But it doesn't matter where he's living, you can't ask one person to do something that no one else has to do. Period. Regardless of the venue. As long as he isn't parking it in someone's living room without permission, it's none of anyone else's business where he decides to lay his head. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	jasonmurphy 2015-11-25 09:50 am UTC (link)
	I'm only talking about space other people already use. Like the grocery store or the opera house or their living rooms. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	maryanne_walker 2015-11-25 09:55 am UTC (link)
	Their living rooms is one thing, that's private, it's considered their property once they lay claim to it. The Grocery Store, and Opera house... They're big places. If he wants to sleep there, if anyone wants to sleep there, I don't care, do you? As long as he doesn't go shooting at people that are trying to shop, then what's the big deal? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

jasonmurphy
2015-11-25 10:04 am UTC (link)

I didn't think a simple "Hi, I'm going to be using this space. Any questions?" would be a big deal.

But if it comes across that way, it might because of where I'm from. Like you said we don't have a King or a Queen here. I didn't either, but there was government where I'm from. I didn't have much when I was a kid. And one day, they decided to expand the roads, right through out park. That was it. No more park for anyone. There are lots of living rooms around here. I can always find another one.

There's only one opera house. I may not like musicals personally, but after all this time Rachel B and the rest put into their shows, why should they have to move if it someone wants to sleep on the stage? That don't seem fair to me.

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maryanne_walker
2015-11-25 10:18 am UTC (link)

Still, you can't ask one person to do something that everyone else doesn't have to do. Period.

I know what it's like not to have anything. I didn't even have a park. But I also know what it's like not to be treated the same as everyone else. And that's not going to happen here.

If he is sleeping on the stage it doesn't take too much to ask him nicely to move when they're going to need it. I use the opera house all the time, and I don't ask anybody squat. I don't tell anyone, I just make sure it's not being used at the time.

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jasonmurphy
2015-11-25 10:59 am UTC (link)

I agree. Anyone taking space that's already used, for their own private residence, should let the rest of us know. It's only decent.

Then you must know how it feels to have people do ~~shit~~ stuff that affects you and not get any say. It sucks. It's not what I want for people on this island.

Once someone lives there, it becomes their home. Not everyone would be comfortable asking them to leave it, even if it's only for a few hours. And they'd wonder if person living there was going to make changes to the opera house that would affect their shows. An simple net post beforehand where they can work it out, solves all of that.

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maryanne_walker
2015-11-25 04:16 pm UTC (link)

What I was saying is he shouldn't have to tell the world if he doesn't want to. Regardless of the area. Because no one else goes around saying 'I've taken such and such area for myself'. Regardless of what it is. And believe it or not the Opera House was someone's home at one point. There's plenty of housing that isn't the middle of the stage. That's why it's here. But that's neither here nor there, he's not in the opera house. I was just there.

And as far as I can tell he's not taking anything from anybody.

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jasonmurphy
2015-11-25 04:28 pm UTC (link)

People must have known that he was using it and that he wouldn't use the stage.

Then there's no problem. I was only talking about taking public space that's used by everyone and turning into their own private space. ~~Like they're declaring themselves King and the rest of us are just peasants whose space he can take for himself and himself alone. Big guy walking all over the rest of us as always.~~

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maryanne_walker
2015-11-25 10:37 pm UTC (link)

It was his home. And it's not like anyone would tell the Phantom what he could and couldn't do in his Operahouse.

How about this. A new rule. If you can't share a 'public space' with someone that might want to live there, if you want to pigeon hole someone into what you're expectations are of where and how someone should live, then you can't use that public space.

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jasonmurphy
2015-11-25 10:51 pm UTC (link)

It wasn't a public space then.

Sharing a space and living in it are two different things. I've got no problem with how anyone wants to live. I didn't say anything about the how. It was the where. It was the idea of someone taking a space and declaring it's theirs when it used to be for everyone and then not even bothering to let everyone know.

You'd kick me out of every public space because we have a difference of opinion? ~~Seriously?~~ Even when I haven't done anything but type words?

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	maryanne_walker 2015-11-25 11:55 pm UTC (link)
	So what you're saying is a public space can't be used for whatever that person that's using it wants to use it for. You are aware that you're being pretty hypocritical right now, right? You and anyone else. If you can't share a public space then you have no business using it. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	jasonmurphy 2015-11-26 12:03 am UTC (link)
	I'm saying people should be able to talk to each other about the use of public space and negotiate something that works for everyone. Instead of keeping us all in the dark, like no one else matters but one ~~bully~~ person. I share the space. I have never once taken space from anyone else. ~~I am not a bully.~~ (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

maryanne_walker
2015-11-26 12:10 am UTC (link)

I don't have to invite, or include, the whole island in my plans to use anything. If I want to have my kids party at the beach, or a park, or the Operahouse, that's my business, not anyone else's. I'm pretty sure anyone with common sense can figure out when an area is being used and when it isn't.

It sounds to me that you don't want to share the space, if they don't want to include you in their private business.

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jasonmurphy
2015-11-26 12:26 am UTC (link)

If someone's living there, then it's being used all the time. That's very different from a party. You can have a party one time, someone else can have one another time.

I do want to share it. I've never taken space from anyone that was using it.

I've never asked anyone about their private business either. I don't care what they do in a public space, as long as others can use it sometimes too.

All I'm saying is that people should talk before they take from others. Should, not that I would do anything to anyone who wasn't considerate enough to do that. I didn't threaten anyone. I haven't threatened anyone on the island.

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maryanne_walker
2015-11-26 01:30 am UTC (link)

But most of the public spaces are big enough for other people to use even if someone is living there. If someone was living in the opera house in the housing portion of it, I doubt that you'd even know unless they said something.

You've obviously never had to sleep somewhere public because you didn't feel safe elsewhere.

You saying he can't stay somewhere because it's a public space is taking it from him. That's his sense of security, wherever he's using, the why doesn't matter. I'm pretty sure, like anyone else that would use a public space to live in, he just doesn't want anyone to mess with his stuff.

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jasonmurphy
2015-11-26 02:24 am UTC (link)

Yes, I have.

I'm not saying he can't stay there. I don't want to know the why; it's not my business. I'm saying I think he should let them know he'll be there. A simple "Hey, I'm using this space." so people don't wonder what's going on and they can work out any problems it might cause.

Maryanne

My mom and I had to sleep in all kinds of spaces, when we were trying to hide from one of her violent johns or pimps or dealers.

We didn't do it because we thought we had a right to the space. We didn't think we were better than anyone else. I wanted to let people know what was going on, that we weren't a threat to them. But my mom thought if we talked to people, child services might take me. We didn't have all the options that people have here.

I was too young to understand why I couldn't be in my apartment anymore. All I knew was that someone could take everything away because they were bigger and stronger and more powerful. It was like with the park that we used to have in my town.

I'd like to think people are different here. That they'll talk to each other before taking anything away. That we can share our concerns and work things out together.

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maryanne_walker
2015-11-26 03:10 am UTC (link)

We aren't going to agree on this. I don't see how he's taking anything from anybody. I don't see where he's hurting anything. And I don't see why he needs to be treated any differently than anyone else.

And I stand by what I said. If the public space can't be shared, the person who is being stingy can't use it. I don't care why they're being stingy.

Jason

Seeing the ghost of my ~~Dad~~ brother has made things a little close to the surface to share my past with anyone else right now.

Nothing is being taken away from here, not in this case. Except for the attempt to take away his right to his privacy.

It would be one thing if he was building fortifications around say.. the church, but he's not doing that.

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izzyshaw
2015-11-26 03:52 am UTC (link)

I don't think it's too much to ask to let people know that a spot is being permanently occupied, if only to keep others from jumping to the wrong conclusions or getting nosy. It may not be something required, but it is polite.

Mr. Bohannon has had the decency to let us know he's using that bit of parkland, let's not make mountains out of molehills over the information.

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maryanne_walker
2015-11-26 08:35 am UTC (link)

I think if the person is up to letting other people know, then great. But it shouldn't be something expected, especially when no one else has done it. Ever. Not even when they're taking storefronts for whatever.

It just irritates me that people act like he's committing some crime against humanity. It makes me want to sleep in the park, naked, just to piss people off.

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	izzyshaw 2015-11-26 11:43 am UTC (link)
	Storefronts are one thing, parks are another. I get what you're saying, Maryanne, but little Izzy brought up a valid concern from her point of view. I don't see where anyone outside of the mystery woman thought he was committing a crime. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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jasonmurphy
2015-11-26 04:34 am UTC (link)

We may not agree, but don't put words in my mouth. I did not say he had to be treated any differently than anyone else. I did not say anyone was being hurt. I said I thought everyone should be willing to let people know when they're going to use an public space for permanent living, when said space is already in use. Everyone.

And I don't care why someone thinks no one has the right to know about what's happening in a park they've used for years.

Maryanne

I didn't ask anything or say anything about your past. You did say something about mine that was untrue. I had the right to correct that.

It isn't about privacy. People can see the park, they'll know someone's living there. Telling them in advance wouldn't change that. It would let them raise any concerns they have. Nothing personal - things like are you gonna be okay if my kid plays ball near your space? Is there anything my dog could get into if she gets away from me? Should we be quiet at night? That's not an invasion of privacy.

I don't know if anyone's going to do that or not. I guess no one's going to tell us if they are.

~~So, this is it, huh? I have to spend every minute hiding out because you don't want me in public space?~~

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maryanne_walker
2015-11-26 08:45 am UTC (link)

Oh for crying out loud. I use the park. And if anyone wants to make a crime out of it I'll take a big cat dump in the sandbox. That way you have something legitimate to be pissed off about.

Did you think that wherever he is that he's helping keep the critters out of it at night? Making it a little safer for whatever kids want to go out at night.

Jason

Just making sure you weren't expecting show and tell, kid.

Think about it, do you want people questioning you, and raising 'concerns' about where you live?

I do know that people aren't doing it.

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	Maryanne jasonmurphy 2015-11-26 11:31 am UTC (link)
	Of course. Anytime I do something that affects other people, I want to know if it's causing them concern. I live at the temple. I was invited to stay there. What else would you like to know? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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