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Tweak says, "I want my pink shirt back!"

Cullen Bohannon (cullen_bohannon) wrote in compass_network,
@ 2015-11-25 01:18:00

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!open, izzy, ~cullen bohannon, ~izzy shaw, ~jason murphy

I have a question: Did anyone announce, before they took up residence somewhere, that they were going to and where? I was under the impression that everything here was free, as long as it didn't belong to someone else first.

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Maryanne

jasonmurphy
2015-11-27 10:09 am UTC (link)

You know southern men like you know 'normals'. You're judging based on where he's from, and his being male, not by anything you actually witnessed.

What difference does it make if she introduced herself? Does she need to know a special code to talk to people? People here are from different times and places. Not everyone is going to act the same way. It doesn't mean they're bad or worthless. It doesn't mean that they have to be blamed and hated for being different. Being different doesn't mean that any one person is solely responsible for rectifying any situation.

My Dad certainly doesn't follow some code of manners. He's different. He's also a good man who has value to the island.

Even if she was alone, it doesn't mean that she'd never take her kid to the park. If anything, it was probably easier for her to talk about her concerns without having to supervise a kid at the same time.

Trust issues are one thing. Judging people by where they're from and their race and if they follow your code of manners is another. Hating people for being different isn't right.

Everyone shouldn't have to prove themselves to you. We shouldn't have to live in fear of not measuring up to your standards. We should all be equals here.

You don't want to be judged harshly, but it's okay for you to judge a woman for one incident, one day, in one park? For the rest of her life, she's an evil, worthless murderer?

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Jason

maryanne_walker
2015-11-28 06:16 am UTC (link)

You'd be surprised how observant I am. Being southern isn't something you would understand, anyway.

Most people, even rude ass yankees would get this one. It's only polite, when coming at someone with a bunch of questions regardless of the subject, to introduce yourself first. I bet he probably removed his hat, and was Yes Ma'am, No Ma'am the whole time, in fact I know he was.

House is an exception. He has a big dick, and knows how to use it. He doesn't have to be nice. But, he would also introduce himself.

So that gives her an excuse to be rude? Because I sure as hell hope her kid doesn't have the same manners that she does.

Hating someone for being rude is a legitimate reason to hate them, if they're rude to one person they'll be rude to another. Why should I give them the chance to be rude to me?

Apparently we're not.

Because judgement where a person lives is being passed here. So someone thinks they're better than everyone else. And that everyone else should live by their standards. I just figure a little do onto others as they do onto is in order.

Don't take it so personally Jason. It's not like I'm discriminating here. Mostly everyone is labeled under the 'possible murderer or rapist' until they prove otherwise. I'm not asking anyone to go out of their way, all they have to do is not kill or rape someone. And whoever this woman is, I'm not going out of my way to hunt her down, which I could do without too much trouble.

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Re: Jason

jasonmurphy
2015-11-28 09:35 am UTC (link)

I've seen my Dad not introduce himself back in Princeton. I've seen him use fake names. I've heard him ask very personal questions and it wasn't always to get a diagnosis either.

Maybe she didn't think she was being rude. Maybe she didn't know she has to remember to follow Maryanne's law of identifying herself to ask questions when her thoughts are on the park her kids play in. I don't always introduce myself to people either.

Maybe he was cruel to her, calling her rude and making accusations as he did online. He clearly judges her harshly and wants others to do the same. Is that good manners? She hasn't done that. She hasn't said one unkind word on the net.

You don't know that any judgement was passed. Wanting to know what's happening in a park where children play isn't passing judgment. I've never heard of anyone judging Neytiri for where she lives. Or Jake. And yet, you're willing to take this man's word that it's happened now over people you've known longer. With no evidence. You're acting like she called him a bum, or kicked him, or told him he didn't deserve to be there. I don't know anyone on the island that has ever acted like that. I know a lot of people would feel horrible if accused of such horrendous things.

I know I feel horrible right now. You're telling me that after my time with Lizzie, after working at the hospital, doing intern work even while studying to be a doctor, all of that, that you see me as capable of murder and rape. That is a judgment and it's a hell of a personal one. I'd rather be asked about where I live then be called a potential rapist any day, especially by someone who might have been family if Lizzie hadn't vanished.

But you know what? I won't tell anyone else. I won't go online and complain. I won't try to make anyone judge you even though I feel terrible right now. Because I know what's it like when someone tries to turn your whole world against you. I know what it's like to be hated, ostracized and alone, as this woman will be if this man keeps at it. But hey, at least he takes off his hat and says Ma'am.

After everything the people of the island have been through, and everything they've done for you and your family, the 'normal' doctors who helped AJ after she came through the pony door, the 'normal' people that helped when Tim was missing, you see them all as capable or murder and rape - that's personal too. While Mrs. Shaw-Sully was out in her glider looking for Tim, while Dr. Cuddy was getting the hospital ready for your son, do you think they were judging you for your race and planning some kind of attack at the same time?

How does seeing everyone as potential rapists fit with your version of do onto others? How are we supposed to prove it? Do we have to make sure you have full view of our genitals at all times? I didn't judge you when I met you or ask you to prove yourself. ~~I stuck up for you when Lizzie had trouble accepting your marriage. I told my Dad to help AJ when she was sick..fuck it.~~ I don't think anyone else on the island did either.

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Jason

maryanne_walker
2015-11-28 10:10 pm UTC (link)

I'm not saying House is a peach, okay. I know he can be an asshole.

Sweetheart, it's not Maryanne's laws, it's called common-fucking-decency. I know people that were raised above the mason-dixon line struggle with this, but it is a thing that exists. Google it if you think I'm lying.

He called her rude to Izzy, because she asked. And because he has no other way to identify this woman. Me I would have just called her a Yankee Bitch, but then again I'm not nice.

Did you miss the part where he helped me with my kid. I don't know how anyone else handles situations like that, but it earns some serious brownie points with me. No doubt Miss Soccer Mom did what all Soccer Mom's do, and treated him like a child molester just because he was in the park.

Jason I never said I thought you were a murderer or a rapist. People I don't know? Yeah. I can't be like you. I can't think everything is cookies and rainbows, because it isn't. ~~I thought it could b~~ Not even here. Especially after someone can do ... that to AJ and I can't do shit to him. But scare him. Because that would mean telling everyone else. Or suffer consequences. So yeah, cookies and rainbows are kind of out of the question.

Having my whole world turned against me would not be anything new. I'll tell you a little story, about this little girl who had a twin. When she was four years old, her father came into their run down ramshackle shack, no doubt drunk, and started ranting and raving about how she was a stupid little bitch that hid behind her brother in the ultrasound on purpose. While he almost beat her to death. To this day she doesn't know why he didn't just finish things off. Things went on like that for thirteen more years, the little girl couldn't run away, because then her Mother and Brother would be left to suffer. In fact when her Father called out for her brother to come to him, before puberty changed them both so that you could obviously tell them apart, she would go and take the beatings instead. She was seventeen years old when she became a freak of nature. This girl had worked her ass off in school, was going to graduate with the highest honors available, and had a scholarship to a prestigious school in the state. It all got dashed to hell. Her father chased her out of the house with a shotgun blast that grazed her ass. She was forced into a lifestyle where nearly everyone, that wasn't a freak, hated her. Wanted her dead. She was put on a list. While she ran for her life, her father murdered her mother, and her brother was forced to kill their father. Hey, she was able to get her life together for a few months to find some small taste of happiness. Only to have it all taken away with one well placed sniper shot, one that traveled through her body, killing two unborn children, and burying itself in between the eyes of her new husband. After that she lost herself. She did things that none of mankind should be forced to do.

So you think you know hatred, and ostracization? You think I should be all lovable, and accept people when they're rude as fuck to other people. Give me a reason. Because when I start to think that we can actually live in harmony with one another here, someone like this woman comes and dashes it all to hell. Just because she thinks she's more entitled. Because she has children. I'll have nine children before the year is up, and I don't think I'm more entitled to any space on this island than any other person is. I don't think I'm entitled to tell them where they can and can't live. And I've done more for this island than mostly anyone else here.

And as far as how does someone prove that they're not a rapist? That part is pretty fucking easy. Don't rape. Don't try to force a woman that doesn't want to have sex with you to have sex be it by force, chemically, or other.

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Maryanne

jasonmurphy
2015-11-28 11:29 pm UTC (link)

No, it's your version of decency. Google all cultures. Not everyone is accustomed to introducing themselves unless asked or trying to making friends or in a formal situation. I'm not. My Dad's not. Hell, I talk to people when I'm too drunk on the blue stuff to know my own name, much less say it out loud. I don't think Suni introduces herself every single time she meets someone.

He called her rude without filtering it. There are many ways to id someone other than name calling. He could have described her privately. Or said he was able to let it go and move on. Other people could read it and he knew it. He wanted to insult this woman. That was clear.

I didn't say anything about cookies or rainbows. I don't think you need to be anyone's friend. I'm saying not everyone is a rapist and treating them like they are, is what you're accusing this woman of doing.

She treated him like a child molester? That's another massive accusation. Not even he said she accused him of raping children. If she treated him like a molester, she would have called for help or called for security and raised hell. That didn't happen unless I missed some major shit.

You said I was treating him like he committed a crime against humanity. I never said anything about genocide or torture or anything along those lines. I don't take that shit lightly. That was in your mind. You go to the worst possible thing.

You've been through extremely horrible stuff. And I am genuinely sorry it happened. If I could change it, I would. But I can't. I don't think anyone can change the past, even on this island.

I'm not asking you to be loveable or accept anyone. I'm not loveable. I'm not polite. I don't ask anyone to be. Fuck loveable. It's boring. The Lacey lunch chick at the diner is sweet and loveable. You won't see me hanging out with her. But you won't hear me call her names in public either.

No one has been through what you have. They haven't learned to be strong like you. A lot of them would not have survived your past.

I am saying that the crap that goes on this island, and not just you, but the taking one incident and making it public, never letting it go, it can get to people. There have been people in the past that have vanished after going through it. It makes me wonder if they somehow wished themselves off the island or even killed themselves rather than live here.

I had an uncle who died before I was born. He took his life because he was hated for being gay. No one was beating him, no one shot at him, nothing like that. It was just the words and the loneliness that he couldn't handle. Some people can't take it, Maryanne. They just can't.

You won't kill a guy that deserves it for what he did to AJ. But you're content to drive others to despair over a misunderstanding that you didn't even see.

I still don't think this woman was rude as fuck. I wasn't there. I can admit I don't know what happened. I can admit that there are two sides to just about anything. I can say that I don't want anyone to feel desperate to leave here.

I don't rape. You weren't born knowing me. Logically when you met me, you thought I was a potential rapist even though I don't rape. I'm glad to know at some point, you realized that I'm not. You don't need to watch everyone for a hundred years and then stand over their coffin to declare "this man didn't rape". At some point, you trusted me. At some point, even you trust that not everyone is the scum of the earth. Maybe this woman isn't either. Maybe we can all let it go, and move on, rather than drive another person off the island. Or at least keep the insults for private conversation.

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Jason

maryanne_walker
2015-11-29 07:32 am UTC (link)

You can't change my mind about her, or anyone else.

But I'm not going to isolate her, I don't even know who she is. He doesn't know who she is, and he's probably the only one that could identify her.

Don't pity me Jason. I didn't tell you all that for your pity. It was just to give you a little insight, because that is what you needed. I didn't really want to give you that. ~~Because now you're going to look at me... Different.~~

But one person isn't going to kill themselves over me. No one knows but you how I feel about people. And I really doubt anyone really cares. Seriously, do you?

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Maryanne

jasonmurphy
2015-11-29 12:33 pm UTC (link)

And you're not going to make me hate someone when I don't know what happened. ~~You're not going to make me believe someone because you think moving a hat around means he is magically able to know what was in her head and he's telling the truth. Everybody lies.~~ You are not going to make me think that everyone that comes here has to follow your customs, no matter what country, time, continent or even planet they're from. You're not going to scare me into introducing myself to everyone I meet. You aren't going to make me think that one misunderstanding makes anyone a bigot, a snob, a rapist and a murderer.

He is going to isolate her. He's already made you hate her. He'll make others hate her too. He may even form a mob. You want the pitchforks and torches. Others will too.

I would want to change that crap for anyone, not just you. Saying I'm sorry isn't the same as pitying you. That's you judging me again. Don't act like I rushed over with kleenex and a condescending pat on the head.

No one's killing themselves for now. I've known you to berate and threaten people. You hate despite not even having witnessed what happened. What else will he make you do to her? ~~You've declared yourself judge, jury and executioner in the past.~~

Yeah, I do care. And not just because I don't like the idea of people here being thought as rapists and killers. I care about what carrying that hate and anger around will to do to you too.

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Jason

maryanne_walker
2015-11-30 05:16 am UTC (link)

Well, then, if people aren't going to be polite, if they're going to be rude, then they should expect rudeness back. And I wasn't trying to scare you. It's called debate.

Hate is a very strong word. You have to care about a person before you can actually hate them. And he only said she was rude. Would you call a duck a monkey?

Just... Whatever. I was just making sure no knight in shining armor shit was going through your head, that's all.

People who are a threat to my children get treated like they are one. And he's not making me do shit. He's not my handler.

I've always been like this, you just happen to know it now.

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