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Cullen Bohannon (cullen_bohannon) wrote in compass_network,
@ 2015-11-25 01:18:00

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!open, izzy, ~cullen bohannon, ~izzy shaw, ~jason murphy

I have a question: Did anyone announce, before they took up residence somewhere, that they were going to and where? I was under the impression that everything here was free, as long as it didn't belong to someone else first.

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jasonmurphy
2015-11-25 10:51 pm UTC (link)

It wasn't a public space then.

Sharing a space and living in it are two different things. I've got no problem with how anyone wants to live. I didn't say anything about the how. It was the where. It was the idea of someone taking a space and declaring it's theirs when it used to be for everyone and then not even bothering to let everyone know.

You'd kick me out of every public space because we have a difference of opinion? ~~Seriously?~~ Even when I haven't done anything but type words?

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	maryanne_walker 2015-11-25 11:55 pm UTC (link)
	So what you're saying is a public space can't be used for whatever that person that's using it wants to use it for. You are aware that you're being pretty hypocritical right now, right? You and anyone else. If you can't share a public space then you have no business using it. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	jasonmurphy 2015-11-26 12:03 am UTC (link)
	I'm saying people should be able to talk to each other about the use of public space and negotiate something that works for everyone. Instead of keeping us all in the dark, like no one else matters but one ~~bully~~ person. I share the space. I have never once taken space from anyone else. ~~I am not a bully.~~ (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

maryanne_walker
2015-11-26 12:10 am UTC (link)

I don't have to invite, or include, the whole island in my plans to use anything. If I want to have my kids party at the beach, or a park, or the Operahouse, that's my business, not anyone else's. I'm pretty sure anyone with common sense can figure out when an area is being used and when it isn't.

It sounds to me that you don't want to share the space, if they don't want to include you in their private business.

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jasonmurphy
2015-11-26 12:26 am UTC (link)

If someone's living there, then it's being used all the time. That's very different from a party. You can have a party one time, someone else can have one another time.

I do want to share it. I've never taken space from anyone that was using it.

I've never asked anyone about their private business either. I don't care what they do in a public space, as long as others can use it sometimes too.

All I'm saying is that people should talk before they take from others. Should, not that I would do anything to anyone who wasn't considerate enough to do that. I didn't threaten anyone. I haven't threatened anyone on the island.

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maryanne_walker
2015-11-26 01:30 am UTC (link)

But most of the public spaces are big enough for other people to use even if someone is living there. If someone was living in the opera house in the housing portion of it, I doubt that you'd even know unless they said something.

You've obviously never had to sleep somewhere public because you didn't feel safe elsewhere.

You saying he can't stay somewhere because it's a public space is taking it from him. That's his sense of security, wherever he's using, the why doesn't matter. I'm pretty sure, like anyone else that would use a public space to live in, he just doesn't want anyone to mess with his stuff.

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jasonmurphy
2015-11-26 02:24 am UTC (link)

Yes, I have.

I'm not saying he can't stay there. I don't want to know the why; it's not my business. I'm saying I think he should let them know he'll be there. A simple "Hey, I'm using this space." so people don't wonder what's going on and they can work out any problems it might cause.

Maryanne

My mom and I had to sleep in all kinds of spaces, when we were trying to hide from one of her violent johns or pimps or dealers.

We didn't do it because we thought we had a right to the space. We didn't think we were better than anyone else. I wanted to let people know what was going on, that we weren't a threat to them. But my mom thought if we talked to people, child services might take me. We didn't have all the options that people have here.

I was too young to understand why I couldn't be in my apartment anymore. All I knew was that someone could take everything away because they were bigger and stronger and more powerful. It was like with the park that we used to have in my town.

I'd like to think people are different here. That they'll talk to each other before taking anything away. That we can share our concerns and work things out together.

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maryanne_walker
2015-11-26 03:10 am UTC (link)

We aren't going to agree on this. I don't see how he's taking anything from anybody. I don't see where he's hurting anything. And I don't see why he needs to be treated any differently than anyone else.

And I stand by what I said. If the public space can't be shared, the person who is being stingy can't use it. I don't care why they're being stingy.

Jason

Seeing the ghost of my ~~Dad~~ brother has made things a little close to the surface to share my past with anyone else right now.

Nothing is being taken away from here, not in this case. Except for the attempt to take away his right to his privacy.

It would be one thing if he was building fortifications around say.. the church, but he's not doing that.

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izzyshaw
2015-11-26 03:52 am UTC (link)

I don't think it's too much to ask to let people know that a spot is being permanently occupied, if only to keep others from jumping to the wrong conclusions or getting nosy. It may not be something required, but it is polite.

Mr. Bohannon has had the decency to let us know he's using that bit of parkland, let's not make mountains out of molehills over the information.

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maryanne_walker
2015-11-26 08:35 am UTC (link)

I think if the person is up to letting other people know, then great. But it shouldn't be something expected, especially when no one else has done it. Ever. Not even when they're taking storefronts for whatever.

It just irritates me that people act like he's committing some crime against humanity. It makes me want to sleep in the park, naked, just to piss people off.

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	izzyshaw 2015-11-26 11:43 am UTC (link)
	Storefronts are one thing, parks are another. I get what you're saying, Maryanne, but little Izzy brought up a valid concern from her point of view. I don't see where anyone outside of the mystery woman thought he was committing a crime. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

maryanne_walker
2015-11-27 12:56 am UTC (link)

I'd understand a problem if these areas weren't big enough for him to live there and other people to do whatever. But all the places that are common areas are big enough for someone to camp out if they want, or need, to. Hell even the pub has a few rooms over it. Mitchell uses them for storage, but I know of one that even has a matress on the floor.

Your granddaughter doesn't seem to keen on sharing it.

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	Maryanne izzyshaw 2015-11-27 03:01 am UTC (link)
	She doesn't, does she? I've been getting that impression too. I think she's seeing it as a fairness issue, and a fairly black and white one. The area near campsite is off limits for her unless her mother says otherwise, and it's likely to be a long term occupation. it's a small piece of the park, but she's seeing it as possibly the first of many. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Izzy maryanne_walker 2015-11-27 03:16 am UTC (link)
	I'd understand if it was the only park on the island, and if it was a small park. But it's not. She has to share the space with the memorial, and the lake, and other things. I hate to say it Izzy, but she reminds me of Angelica Pickles. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

Maryanne

izzyshaw
2015-11-27 12:37 pm UTC (link)

None of those other things have people living in them, but I do take your point.

I wouldn't go that far. From what I've seen so far she's a very sweet girl, Rhiannon and her partner were doing a good job with her. She's just going to have to adjust to Bohannon having a small piece of the park. I've invited him to Thanksgiving dinner, hopefully getting to know him a little will take the 'unfairness' out of the situation for her.

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Izzy

maryanne_walker
2015-11-28 06:25 am UTC (link)

The way I see it: If he's living in the park then his scent is bound to be in it day and night. Which keeps other, harder to control, things out. People tend to forget that we're out numbered by wild animals about ten to one.

Even Angelica was sweet to the adults when she wanted to get her way, it was Tommy and company she was mean to.

Thanks for doing that. I wanted to but it's wild kingdom over here with babies randomly deciding it's naked time. And when one does it, most of the rest of them do it to.

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jasonmurphy
2015-11-26 04:34 am UTC (link)

We may not agree, but don't put words in my mouth. I did not say he had to be treated any differently than anyone else. I did not say anyone was being hurt. I said I thought everyone should be willing to let people know when they're going to use an public space for permanent living, when said space is already in use. Everyone.

And I don't care why someone thinks no one has the right to know about what's happening in a park they've used for years.

Maryanne

I didn't ask anything or say anything about your past. You did say something about mine that was untrue. I had the right to correct that.

It isn't about privacy. People can see the park, they'll know someone's living there. Telling them in advance wouldn't change that. It would let them raise any concerns they have. Nothing personal - things like are you gonna be okay if my kid plays ball near your space? Is there anything my dog could get into if she gets away from me? Should we be quiet at night? That's not an invasion of privacy.

I don't know if anyone's going to do that or not. I guess no one's going to tell us if they are.

~~So, this is it, huh? I have to spend every minute hiding out because you don't want me in public space?~~

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maryanne_walker
2015-11-26 08:45 am UTC (link)

Oh for crying out loud. I use the park. And if anyone wants to make a crime out of it I'll take a big cat dump in the sandbox. That way you have something legitimate to be pissed off about.

Did you think that wherever he is that he's helping keep the critters out of it at night? Making it a little safer for whatever kids want to go out at night.

Jason

Just making sure you weren't expecting show and tell, kid.

Think about it, do you want people questioning you, and raising 'concerns' about where you live?

I do know that people aren't doing it.

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	Maryanne jasonmurphy 2015-11-26 11:31 am UTC (link)
	Of course. Anytime I do something that affects other people, I want to know if it's causing them concern. I live at the temple. I was invited to stay there. What else would you like to know? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

Jason

maryanne_walker
2015-11-27 12:32 am UTC (link)

How would you feel if people just decided that it was a public area, and raised a fuss that you were sleeping there? Even though there's more than enough room for them to do whatever they wanted to do and for you to live there at the same time, they just didn't like it. Wanted to kick you out, and make you conform to their way of living just because they didn't like the way you were living your life.

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jasonmurphy
2015-11-27 12:50 am UTC (link)

I would feel fine. i would understand their concern. I would let them know how I was using the space, what my plans were, if there was anything that would affect them in anyway, no matter how small. If I was only planning on using a small space, I'd let them know that.. I wouldn't make them wonder if I was planning on expanding. If there was anything that their kids or pets should stay away from, I'd let them know. I would never want to make anyone feel like their concerns were less important than my own. I wouldn't attack them for curiosity about a park that they used.

No one has said anything about people being kicked out. Or conforming to any one way of living. Or said anything about crimes against humanity. Please don't accuse me of such vile, hate filled words.

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Jason

maryanne_walker
2015-11-27 01:06 am UTC (link)

That's what happens Jason. When you expect one person to go out of their way to announce their plans to live somewhere, and if one person has objections then that one person is going to work up a crowd with torches and pitchforks to move them out. Because the other person isn't doing something that's conforming to the majority~~, or they're different~~.

It's all great and good that you think the world works that way, that you can just say 'Hey I'm living here, this is my stuff and there may, or maynot, be something in it that you don't want your kids and, or, animals getting into' and the world will be alright with that. But that can actually have worse consequences than someone just asking you to move along.

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Maryanne

jasonmurphy
2015-11-27 01:32 am UTC (link)

I still don't see how a quick 'hey, this what's going on" is going out of the way.

I wouldn't work up a crowd. No one on the island would. No one has ever forced anyone to conform to a majority in the time i've been here. No one has ever tried to make Jake and Neytiri live inside. No one has bugged me about being a grown man still living with his family.

I'm not talking about the entire world, or every possible world, just this island. I've had a better life here then I could have had anywhere else. The people here are good and decent, better than anyone I knew before except maybe my Mom. To compare the people on the island to people that are capable of forming a violent mob isn't right. I know you might mock me for this, but it was hurtful.

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	Jason maryanne_walker 2015-11-27 02:38 am UTC (link)
	I'm not saying you would, but you don't know everyone here. Someone obviously got this man worked up, who's to say they wont work up a mob? People are afraid of what they don't understand, Jason. And people who are afraid are also notorious about trying to get rid of the things they don't understand, and the things that they are afraid of. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

Maryanne

jasonmurphy
2015-11-27 04:37 am UTC (link)

Anyone who knows this island should be able to say. I haven't heard any talk of forming a mob. I don't know everyone but I know enough people that wouldn't join a mob. I also know that there are enough people with special abilities that could and would stop a mob.

You don't know who the someone was, you don't know their point of view, yet you're labelling them as violent person who attacks people with a mob.

Can you consider that it could have been a concerned parent who wanted to know what was happening in the park their children play in? It could have been someone who had no way of knowing he was only going to take a certain amount of space. Someone with a child that might see a tent in a park as a new play structure and want to explore it. Someone who isn't a perfect parent and knows that children wander off. Someone who wants to know if the tent locks. And if there's anything dangerous in that tent if their child were to get inside. Someone who simply wanted to talk about those kinds of issues, the ones that affect them.

It could have been the kind of soccer mom parent that doesn't let her kid spend the night at someone else's home without knowing if they have smoke alarms. The ones that are used to being able to know about everything that could possibly impact their kid. The kind that thinks it's normal to ask those questions. And since we're all from different places and times, maybe there was some kind of misunderstanding.

But does that make them violent or a bigot? Do those kinds of concerns raise to the level of fear and hatred you're describing?

Even if you don't understand those concerns, is it really enough to make you fear and hate someone? Will not understanding make you attack this person if you find out who they are?

I didn't know anything about people with powers before I came to this island. To be honest, I really didn't understand the elves and all their royalty talk. That didn't make me fear them or attack them. I didn't see anyone else attacking them either. And I wasn't the only one who didn't understand them.

If anything, it seems like you've got the problem with people. It feels like you already have a really low opinion of them, labelled everyone in the same way. That's doesn't sound like the person I met when I was with Lizzie. I don't know that you'll believe me but I liked you then.

Wanting to talk about a park is not enough for me to label someone bigoted or violent. I didn't think it would be enough for you either.

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