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Willow Rosenberg (thecallofmagic) wrote in colligo_network,
@ 2012-04-22 22:47:00

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So. Um. In case you all haven't noticed, Angel is Angelus. An Angelus that's leaving a trail of bodies for Darla to follow. And, well, if what's going on in the city seems to be a trend, my guess is that he's Angelus Angelus. As in, before a soul at all Angelus.

Which would be fine, since I have an Orb of Thesulah in the storeroom.

Only, it's gone now. Not stolen and not broken. Just sorta... poofed, into thin air. Which means that the whole re-ensouling him thing is out until I can track down another one.

So if anybody has any ideas on what we can do until then? That would be super.

Buffy, I'm totally looking at you. Wes, you too. Unless someone else has a plan. Because I'm open for anything at this point. Besides, you know, killing him unless it's an absolute last resort.

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	lostallreason 2012-04-23 03:31 am UTC (link)
	If we cannot reensoul him, then we need to kill him. It's really quite simple. Either he will come back, or he'll be grateful that we abided by his wishes. Angel would rather die than allow Angelus to kill even one more innocent than necessary. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	wrongchosenone 2012-04-23 03:51 am UTC (link)
	I'm all for just knocking his ass out and shoving him into a cage until this shit is over with. Did it once, I'll do it again. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	lostallreason 2012-04-23 11:11 pm UTC (link)
	This isn't last time, Faith. He won't want to play games with you. He has no idea who you are. He'll just want to kill you. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	wrongchosenone 2012-04-23 11:24 pm UTC (link)
	I don't want him to play games, Wes. I just don't want him to kill people. I'll do what I have to. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	lostallreason 2012-04-23 11:26 pm UTC (link)
	You aren't understanding me, Faith. When he wants to play games, he actually does less killing. He draws it out. We have time to think of strategies. Now, he's little more than a vicious, sociopathic animal. I know you and Angel have bonded, but this isn't solely up to you. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	thecallofmagic 2012-04-23 11:30 pm UTC (link)
	You know, this isn't solely up to you either, Wes. Just because you're convinced it's what needs to be done doesn't mean the rest of us agree. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	wrongchosenone 2012-04-23 11:33 pm UTC (link)
	I fucking know that, Wes. Guess we'll just agree to disagree on that one. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	thecallofmagic 2012-04-23 03:04 pm UTC (link)
	Simple? No! That's not simple, Wes. That's complicated and messy and obviously he's just affected by what's going on in the city. We need options, not a big fat stake to the heart without even trying. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

lostallreason
2012-04-23 11:17 pm UTC (link)

As a matter of fact, it is that simple.

None of us matter to him. This isn't Angel reverting to Angelus. This is purely Angelus. He's never been Angel. He will leave a trail of bodies a mile long if we don't stop him. I'm not going to leave Angel to deal with that.

You knew him in Sunnydale, Willow. While I greatly respect your power, you weren't there for the things we went through together. We have always had the understanding that if it came down to it, we would kill Angelus.

If you became evil again, and there was every chance your death would be a temporary thing, would you rather the people you care about to risk their lives trying to save you, or would you want them to be prepared to kill you to stop you from hurting people? If you didn't even have the memory of them, for some reason or another, to even hope that they might be able to bring you back?

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thecallofmagic
2012-04-23 11:34 pm UTC (link)

No, it isn't that simple and you trying to claim it is doesn't make it any less true. Sure, you went through heavy stuff with him but funny how, when he was Angelus the last time, I was still called up to come to town and stick a soul back in him. Or did you forget that? And just because he's not Angel-then-Angelus doesn't matter much. In fact, it might be easier to track him since he won't be trying to be sneaky and all game-playing.

I respect you Wes, I do. But there's no reason we can't stick him someplace until we can sort this out and figure out a way. Just because I can't re-ensoul him doesn't mean someone else in this city can't.

And as for me? First off, you're out of line, Mister. You don't want me trying to pretend I know what you guys went through in L.A.? Then back off what happened in Sunnydale after you ditched town. Secondly, I'd want my friends to try to help me before just sticking a fork in me and calling me done because, by golly, that's what friends do.

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lostallreason
2012-04-23 11:47 pm UTC (link)

This isn't up to you, Willow. You may think it is, but it's not. We have an agreement with Angel. It is what he would want. And the fact that he isn't being sneaky and game playing just means that he'll be that much quicker to kill people.

Do you really think that? Why do you think the orb suddenly disappeared? I very much doubt our host will allow him to be reensouled. We involved you last time because there was a means, however remote to reensoul him. Trying to keep him locked up just ended in people dying.

I'm not referring to what happened in Sunnydale, I'm asking you what you would want if you did go evil and couldn't remember anyone. Because if you did remember, I know you would absolutely come back from that place because you're one of the strongest people I've ever met. But if you didn't have those memories, containment wouldn't necessarily be enough to stop you. And I don't think it will be for him. What's to stop Asaph from letting him out of any cage you put him in?

I am not willing to go against my word to my friend and leave him with the guilt he'll feel over the things Angelus will surely do.

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	thecallofmagic 2012-04-23 11:55 pm UTC (link)
	I never said this was up to me. Not even once. In fact, I'm the one that asked for opinions from all of us to start with, so don't you dare insinuate anything to the contrary. I'm done discussing this with you. I'm going to find a solution that doesn't involve your one-and-only plan. Help or don't, I really don't care. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	lostallreason 2012-04-24 12:01 am UTC (link)
	Very well. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	thisismyofframp 2012-04-23 03:10 pm UTC (link)
	You know I'm more than on board with this plan, Wes. We just need to actually come up with something other than 'and then we threw ourselves at him until one of us got a lucky shot'. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	lostallreason 2012-04-23 11:17 pm UTC (link)
	Yes. Unfortunately, even as early on as he is, he's still vicious and powerful. We wouldn't be able to manage it on our own. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	choseherside 2012-04-23 11:26 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, so, I am guessing the main reason I can see this is because my boyfriend runs the magic shop with your people. Whatever the reason, though, I can help you out if you need it. No way can he take me in a fight. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	lostallreason 2012-04-23 11:28 pm UTC (link)
	That is quite reassuring, Miss...Magnus, yes? I don't think we've actually met in person, but it's very good to meet you now. You can take Angelus in a fight? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	choseherside 2012-04-23 11:39 pm UTC (link)
	That would be me. Though seriously. Call me Ashley. And I can definitely take him in a fight. That is not even a little bit of an issue. I took Spike in a fight when he went evil, so this is not my first rodeo. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	lostallreason 2012-04-23 11:41 pm UTC (link)
	Then it's a pleasure to meet you, Ashley. Call me Wes. Good. That's good to know. Could you kill him, if it came to that? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	choseherside 2012-04-23 11:45 pm UTC (link)
	Likewise, Wes. Not a problem at all. I killed Spike and I actually know and like him. Not to mention, I have experience in turning against friends and family. Sure, my situation was more mind control and less lack of a soul, but still. Push comes to shove, I would want somebody to put me out of my misery, and fast, if I went that way again. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	( Cordelia ) lostallreason 2012-04-23 11:49 pm UTC (link)
	Since when do they have any say in his life? I was under the impression they'd turned their backs on him when he made the choices he did regarding Wolfram and Hart. And now it's entirely up to them. This is bloody ridiculous. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	[Wes] thisismyofframp 2012-04-23 11:51 pm UTC (link)
	They don't get a say. The only reason this is even open for debate is because we keep arguing with them. I vote we let them work on their little plan to trap him. We, meanwhile, grab Ashley - and whoever else we can find that's willing to help - and deal with the situation head-on before he manages to track down sorority row or an orphanage or something. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	( Cordelia ) lostallreason 2012-04-24 12:06 am UTC (link)
	You're right, Cordelia. There is no reason to keep debating this. I think that's the only thing we can do. We're his friends. We have to do this for him. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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