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starwolf_oakley (starwolf_oakley) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-08-05 17:37:00

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char: batgirl/oracle/barbara gordon, char: black canary/dinah lance, char: huntress/helena bertinelli, creator: gail simone, creator: joe bennett, title: birds of prey

BOP #68: A canary or a "mock"ing bird? or The Sexual History of Helena Bertinelli
The first page of Cry For Justice #2 has caused some controversy on this board and elsewhere. But it's not like that kind of "behavior" is unheard of in Huntress' history.

First, Babs and the girls talk about Savant, who kidnapped Black Canary and chained her to a ~~fridge~~ bed.

Uh-oh. Anyone know the exact issues?

This was revealed in OUTSIDERS #12, but not the circumstances. Nightwing must have told Oracle. Because that's not weird at all.

Ah, so Roy is "quick to let fly." No wonder Cheshire got pregnant!

Well, give she's now about Roy's age due to that Lazarus Pit dip, it's less "mother and son" these days.

How does that date go?

Sheesh, I thought they only kept the masks on in ULTIMATE or ALL-STAR stories. Supposedly Gail Simone wrote this so Helene could find realize she deserved better in the romance department. Is a threesome with Hal Jordan and Lady Blackhawk really better? Well, I doubt they'd keep their masks on.

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runespoor7
2009-08-07 02:39 pm UTC (link)

I don't see the contradiction/weirdness in both wanting to be like someone and being in love with someone (or, like you put it, wanting to do someone and wanting to be someone); after all, don't a lot of us fall in love with people we admire? There's a fine line between hero worship and crush, etc etc.

About Nightwing being Devin Grayson's Mary Sue, I think you're right on the money. In one interview where she was questioned about Tarantula being her Mary Sue, she answered that she thought it'd be much truer to say that Dick was her Mary Sue. Incidentally, I'm not sure if she really understood what the term 'Mary Sue' meant/means/is used as, in part because like batcookies said, it's used any way nowadays. As far as self-inserts go, however, I'd say her most probable self-insert was Babs. Her Babs says a lot of things, particularly about people's psychologies, that seem to reflect how Devin Grayson intended the portrayal to go. Sometimes it reminds me a little of how Hermione was depicted in Harry Potter.

...And as for objectifying Nightwing's character... she's not the first nor the last writer to have had characters remark on him being beautiful.

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(Anonymous)
2009-08-07 08:31 pm UTC (link)

"...And as for objectifying Nightwing's character... she's not the first nor the last writer to have had characters remark on him being beautiful."

True, true. But no writer before (or since, really) did (or has done) so to such a great extent -- see the other Anon's comment about the 'Rise of Sin Tzu' novel upthread for one rather OTT example.

Again, I liked Grayson's writing more often than not, but I do think her portrayal of Nightwing was often compromised by a certain amount of objectification.

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