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Doop ([info]xdoop) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-07-13 23:13:00

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Entry tags:char: black panther/t'challa, creator: reginald hudlin, title: black panther

The Hudlin Manifesto
Taken from here...

A Historical Overview and a Look to The Future
By Reginald Hudlin



When the Black Panther debuted in the 60s, he was so cool,so perfect a character in concept and execution it's hard to believe it was done by two white guys. But when the white guys in question were Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, then it makes sense. But to truly appreciate their achievement, it;s worth putting it in context: No black super hero before or after the Black Panther is as cool as the Black Panther. Sure, others come close. Luke Cage is as brilliant a Marvel response to blaxploitation as Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D was to the JAMES BOND/ SUPER SPY Trend. And in the Milestone line of comics was wonderful and smart.

But the Black Panther is STILL the man.

He's the King of his own country! He's rich! He's tough enough to defeat the Fantastic Four and Captain America! He's suave and sophisticated! He's got cool super-technology! And his name is...THE BLACK PANTHER. Just the name alone was so ahead of its time. (I wonder if the Black Panther Party in Oakland had gottent famous first, would Stan have used the name anyway? Well, he didn't change it, so double-Kudos to him!)

The Panther's appearances in the LEE/Kirby issues of the FANTASTIC FOUR and CAPTAIN AMERICA were great, but nothing after that has been able to recapture the original magic. He never made much of an impression on me during any of his AVENGERS stints, and I never like the Mc Gregor-written series in JUNGLE ACTION. I even preffered the loopy but fun late Kirby series to Mc Gregor's morose characters that endlessly droned on with the overflowing captions with even more yakkety yakking. Enough already!

The Priest run on the Panther gave a much-needed shot in the arm to the character. His power level was restored to the point that the Panther had contingency plans to take on Galactus. Great! And he got two beautiful female bodyguards/concubines who can kick @$$. Great! He kicked it with fellow regents Namor and Doom. Great! He joined the Avengers to spy on them? The best idea yet!

The question is, how do we take the character to the next level?

Let's start by defining who he IS

The Black Panther is the Black Captain America. He's the embodiment of the ideals of a people. As Americans, we feel good when we read Captain America because he reminds us of the potential of how good America can be, if, of course, we have the convictions to live by the principles the country was founded on. As a black person, the Black Panther should represent the fulfillment of the potential of the Motherland.

For a long time, the Black American equivalent of that ideal was represented by Sidney Poitier, a man who maintained his dignity even in the degrading situations. But since the 80s, that ideal has shifted. In the post-integration, post-Reagan era, the new ideal is Spike Lee or Sean "Puffy" Combs, the artist/businessman hero who profits from his own cultural integrity. In other words, the man who has it all-the money, the politics and the cool and style of black culture.

What those celebrities named, along with Malcom X, Miles Davis and Muhammad Ali, all have in common, is the knowledge that the act of being a black man in white America is an inherent act of rebellion.. They are WILLING to be bad@$$es.

That's  what hip hop is all about. Being a bad@$$. Everyone wants to be a bad@$$. That's why white kids have always loved black music -- whether it's jazz, rock and roll or hip hop, black music is the music of bad@$$es, and plugging into that culture makes a suburban white kid feel like a bad@$$, too. And for a generation of white kids who have grown up without an "Elvis"- a white interpreter of black culture-their appreciation of the edgy street culture is shocking even to me.

I say all this because the harder the Panther is, the more appealing he is to both black AND white audiences.

All we've got to do is let the Panther be who he is set up to be. After all, he's a Wakandan. Wakandans are so bad@$$  They've NEVER BEEN CONQUERED.

This is important. There are some countries that are like doormats -- everybody's kicked their @$$ atone point or another. But there are other peoples in the  comes to mind- that kick the @$$ of everyone who messes with them, superpower or not.

The Wakandans are such people. I figure every 50 years or so, somebody tries to make a move on them, and they have to prove the point to that generation of would-be conquerors:

DON'T EVEN TRY IT!

The independence of the Wakandan People has got to be galling to the rest of the world for a lot of reasons. First of all, the rest of Africa has been carved up like a Christmas turkey. England, Germany, France, Belgium, the United States, the Soviet Union, Islamic and Christian invaders...so many empires have taken large chunks of the land and resources for their own. Even after the independence block the total dominance of Africa by colonial powers, it's cultural evolution has gone unchecked for centuries. They were ahead of us a thousand years ago. And no one has colonized them, burned their books, erased their language, or broken their spirits.

Unfettered b the yoke of colonization, they have created a hi-tech, ecologically sound paradise that makes the rest of the world seem primitive by comparison. If the right company got their hands on their gadgets, their medicines, their R&D, THEY WOULD VAULT THEMSELVES A CENTURY AHEAD OF THEIR COMPETITORS.

But the Wakandans can't be bought out. This isn't a bunch of starving orphans pimped by dictators who'll sell out for a sizable contribution to their Swiss bank account. Wakandans are led by the Black Panthers, a warrior cult that serves as the religious, political and military head of the country. That tower in the center of the country is like a big middle finger to the rest of the world-literally. Their borders are tightly shut and they deal with the world on their own terms---or not at all.

The first scene of the book would be in the 10th century. Start on some neighboring tribe walking across the savannah looking for it's next conquest. They roll on Wakanda. But the Wakandans kick their @$$, using man-sized beartraps, crossbows and other technology that even Europeans didn't have at the time.

Cut to the turn of the century. The Boers have just finished conquering South Africa and are now moving on Wakanda. They've got rifles, they've got Gatling guns. But the Wakandans have a magnetic based weapon that caused the Boer weapons to backfire, maiming and killing half their troops. The Panthers then move in, leaving one man alive, as they usually do, to spread the world- DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.

We see Captain America getting his butt whipped by T'Chaka during World War Two. YEA THEY WIL WHIP ANYBODY'S BUTT.

Okay, let me stop. I'm starting on scenes and I haven't even given an overview yet.

The first six issues of the book will be a re-telling of the Panther's origin. That hasn't been done during this incarnation of the Panther, and is the best way to st the tone for the book.

It will be a version without the Fantastic Four, much like the Lee/Kirby Silver Surfer graphic novel from the 70s, which retold his origin without the FF's involvement in the story.

The fist six issues will essentially be my versions of what the BLACK PANTHER MOVIE should be. But no matter what happens with the movie, or if the movie ever happens, there will be a TPB that people can pick up and see the character done right. No matter how horrible the Joel Schumacher Batman movies are, they cannot erase the greatness of The Dark Knight Returns or Batman: Year one. Hopefully, this book will do the same for T'challa.

I know some people at Marvel feel the Panther's base being in Africa is a problem. It shouldn't be. The Panther should move back and forth betwen Wakanda and the rest of the world the same way Thor moves between Asgard and Earth. He's an INTERNATIONAL player who's equally at home at the Davos Conference in Switzerland, meeting with Colin Powell in D.C. Cuba with Fidel Castro and Prince Namor.

A Great hero is defined by his villains. The Panther doesn't have his equivalents to Dr. Doom, the Red Skull, or Magneto. Instead he's got a guy wearing a white gorilla fur. I don't even know that loser's name, but he will never be seen inside the pages of the book I write.

Since the first story arc will be his origin, the main villain will be Klaw...but not the Murderous Master of Sound that he was in the 1960s. No way. Our villain is a South African who was named after his ancestor, who was one of the Boers who led the abortive attempt to invade Wakanda a century ago. In an act of revenge for the murder of his great-grandfather, and as part of a conspiracy to overthrow Wakanda, Klaw murdered T'Chaka. As he was about to kill the rest of the royal family, T'Challa, T'Chaka's son, blows Klaw's hand off, LITERALLY disarming him.

Now Klaw is equipped with a cybernetic hand that can turn into any number of murderous devices. He's invading Wakanda again, with a small commando squad of superpowered killers, to kill T'Challa and take over Wakanda.

But he's not the only person with the bright idea to invade Wakanda. Is the Panther ready to wage war at home-on multiple fronts?

And will he be betrayed from within?

Okay, that's not a whole pitch, but it's a start. I won't get into the second story arc with Cage, Shang-Chi, Photon and Storm...but that's gonna be even better.

by Reginald Hudlin

And, for legality...


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[info]lonewolf23k
2009-07-14 03:37 am UTC (link)
Okay, I frickin' get what Hudlin was trying to do.

But for fucks' sakes, did he HAVE to throw away a perfectly good continuity to do it? Especially one that already displayed how badass T'challa, his father and his nation were, without turning them into dicks?

And about Wakanda "Not Selling Out", is that really an excuse not to share the cure for Cancer with the world? Seriously, if the whole point of this story is showing how Badass the Wakandans are, why can't it do so by showing them dominate the global technological and medical market?

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[info]seriousfic
2009-07-14 03:41 am UTC (link)
Stop typing "bad@$$". Right now.

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[info]faile_neume
2009-07-14 04:49 am UTC (link)
Motto. I think on a comm where we post boys kissing boys we don't need to censor words like "ass"

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[info]kitty_tc_69
2009-07-14 03:50 am UTC (link)
You know, Mr Hudlin, you coulda just typed "Black Mary Sue" and we'd have gotten it.

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(no subject) - [info]proteus_lives, 2009-07-14 04:30 am UTC

[info]neuhallidae
2009-07-14 03:52 am UTC (link)
I think I gagged a little.

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[info]batcookies
2009-07-14 03:58 am UTC (link)

He's the King of his own country! He's rich! He's tough enough to defeat the Fantastic Four and Captain America!


And we'll get proof on a regular basis, because that's good writing!

Even when he's no longer writing comics, Hudlin will remain the worst writer in the industry.

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(no subject) - [info]smarmyimp, 2009-07-14 07:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]timemonkey, 2009-07-14 10:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]xdoop, 2009-07-15 12:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]timemonkey, 2009-07-15 12:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]xdoop, 2009-07-15 01:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smarmyimp, 2009-07-15 02:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]xdoop, 2009-07-15 02:59 am UTC

[info]arbre_rieur
2009-07-14 04:30 am UTC (link)
Holy #@%, you mean this is a real document? I was sure it was a parody, but judging by the other comments here, it's real?

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(no subject) - [info]crinosg, 2009-07-14 04:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smarmyimp, 2009-07-14 07:55 pm UTC
Hudlin fails on so many levels.
[info]proteus_lives
2009-07-14 04:41 am UTC (link)
It's straight-out mary sueing and he's proud of it? Black people are supposed to be proud of it?

My god, it's so immature. I hate how he debased Storm, I hate how he turned two African character into African-Americans. I hate the racist/enthocentric tone of his writing, it's obvious that hudlin has learned nothing from history.

"That's what hip hop is all about. Being a bad@$$. Everyone wants to be a bad@$$. That's why white kids have always loved black music -- whether it's jazz, rock and roll or hip hop, black music is the music of bad@$$es, and plugging into that culture makes a suburban white kid feel like a bad@$$, too. And for a generation of white kids who have grown up without an "Elvis"- a white interpreter of black culture-their appreciation of the edgy street culture is shocking even to me."

WOW. Imagine if h-dog was white and talking black people. Hip-Hop is the main pillar of Blackness? Says the man from BET.

I have five hundred bucks staying he grew up in a stable middle-class home. Why else would he be trying so hard to be "street?"

hudlin=FAIL. That is the beginning and the end of it.

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[info]freezer818
2009-07-14 05:04 am UTC (link)
"That's what hip hop is all about. Being a bad@$$.


No, that's what Hip Hop is about now. Which misses the point of the original movement as much as Hudlin missed the point of T'Challa.

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(no subject) - [info]kitty_tc_69, 2009-07-14 05:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kitty_tc_69, 2009-07-14 05:38 am UTC
And another thing;
[info]freezer818
2009-07-14 05:08 am UTC (link)
If you have to work this hard to show why your character is such a Grade-A A$$-kicker... he's just not.

I get the feeling Hudlin thinks people are missing "the point" of his take on T'challa. We get it, for the most part. We just reject it.

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Re: And another thing; - [info]smarmyimp, 2009-07-15 08:04 pm UTC

[info]fredneil.livejournal.com
2009-07-14 05:14 am UTC (link)
There's two opposing forces in creating a superhero, wanting the hero to be heroic and wanting the hero to be badass. I guess it's obvious where Hudlin stands on the relative importance of the two, and something tells me it's not where the guy who wrote "with great power must come great responsbility" stood.

And those are some pretty pathetic ideals he's attributing to "the motherland."

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My God, it's like a Mad Magazine montage of Fail!
[info]freezer818
2009-07-14 05:15 am UTC (link)
Every time you go back to it, you notice another nugget of suck:

black music is the music of bad@$$es


This black man can only respond by cuing up "Born To Raise Hell" by Motörhead and flipping my monitor the double-bird.

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Re: My God, it's like a Mad Magazine montage of Fail! - [info]fredneil.livejournal.com, 2009-07-14 06:45 am UTC

[info]lieut_kettch
2009-07-14 06:36 am UTC (link)
Hmmm... he LIKED Priest's run on BP? Reggie must be into Golden Showers, because that's the only way to explain why he's pissing on something he claims to love.

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(no subject) - [info]okkult3000, 2009-07-14 07:42 am UTC

[info]greenmask
2009-07-14 07:29 am UTC (link)
Why? Why would you want your great heroic hero to beat up Captain America?

That's what hip hop is all about. Being a bad@$$. Everyone wants to be a bad@$$. That's why white kids have always loved black music -- whether it's jazz, rock and roll or hip hop, black music is the music of bad@$$es, and plugging into that culture makes a suburban white kid feel like a bad@$$, too. And for a generation of white kids who have grown up without an "Elvis"- a white interpreter of black culture-their appreciation of the edgy street culture is shocking even to me.

I say all this because the harder the Panther is, the more appealing he is to both black AND white audiences.


Dude, in terms of influence and celebrity we had our Elvis in Michael Jackson. Kids don't actually need "interpreters", they just need to be given a little context and they learn to understand like it belongs to them. And "shocking EVEN to me"? Whaaat? This fella needs to put down his expert stick!

Ughhh by the end I was just finding the described supercharacter SO BORING. I'm glad I didn't try to read (his) BP.

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(no subject) - [info]espanolbot, 2009-07-14 08:23 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]greenmask, 2009-07-15 08:34 pm UTC
...what? - [info]nefrekeptah, 2009-07-17 05:35 am UTC

[info]okkult3000
2009-07-14 07:45 am UTC (link)
And yet Christopher Priest can't get arrested in the comics industry these days. Our descendants will look upon this degenerate age with shame.

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(no subject) - [info]smarmyimp, 2009-07-14 07:57 pm UTC

[info]flidgetjerome
2009-07-14 08:09 am UTC (link)
I'm British and I still know that if I lived in 616 and bad shit happened Captain America would be there if he was needed.

If I lived in, say, Rwanda, I know Black Panther wouldn't. This is what Hudlin's done to the character. Wakanda won't help any of its war-torn, AIDS-ravaged or famine-stricken neighbouring nations because he's given it this centuries-old isolationist policy but yet this doesn't stop their King from getting directly involved in rebuilding New Orleans or taking a residency with the Fantastic Four.

Hudlin's turned the Black Panther into a guy who isn't interested in protecting black people unless those black people happen to be Americans.

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(no subject) - [info]smarmyimp, 2009-07-14 07:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]psychop_rex, 2009-07-15 06:49 am UTC

[info]espanolbot
2009-07-14 08:32 am UTC (link)
It does amuse me regarding the parallels between Dr Doom and Hudlin's Black Panther. Both being superpowered totalitarian monarches who rule their countries with an iron fist and are far more technologically advanced than the outside world.

The thing is though that Latverian dores attempt to have trade or business dealings with the outside world, except they are frowned against a lot of the time being Doom is well... a supervillain.

I think that there was an Iron Man story were Tony fired a Stark empolyee for opening a trade agreement with Doom, except I can't remember the name unfortunately.

But on the opposite side of the spectrum, they have a country run by a superhero who has a lot of the same advancements of Latverian (though Latveria's aren't really avaliable to the general population according to some writers) except THEY won't deal with the outside world out of a sense of pride.

There was even a case, though I don't have the scans, of BP turning down a blank cheque from the world's governments for some sort of trading agreement between BP's country and the outside world, except he turned them down out of his huge sense of arrogance.

Honestly, these days Wanaka only has one major export: huge steaming piles of Smug. And they tend to view their war-torn, AIDs ridden neighbours with the same patronising attitude as people from the West have, meaning well but not helping much (if at all) unless absolutely pushed.

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[info]stolisomancer
2009-07-14 08:59 am UTC (link)
It's like he was aiming at Luke Cage but missed, isn't it?

This has that weird fake snappy feel you get with a Hollywood guy. He's saying what he thinks somebody wants to hear, but it doesn't make sense if you actually know what he's talking about. It's a list of vastly misapplied buzzwords.

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[info]artnouveauho.livejournal.com
2009-07-14 02:34 pm UTC (link)
Now Klaw is equipped with a cybernetic hand that can turn into any number of murderous devices.

Someone's seen Enter The Dragon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_d6tLMgRsU)!

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[info]mullon
2009-07-14 02:49 pm UTC (link)
I feel like the Sidney Poitier ideal is the better of the two, but that's just me.

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(no subject) - [info]savok, 2009-07-14 03:17 pm UTC

[info]thanekos
2009-07-14 03:09 pm UTC (link)
" Now Klaw is equipped with a cybernetic hand that can turn into any number of murderous devices. "

Really hope he was thinking of this guy.

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[info]x5455
2009-07-14 05:00 pm UTC (link)
He's tough enough to defeat the Fantastic Four

After reading that sentence (which I read someone else's comment, because I sure as hell ain't gonna read all that shit), my brain just committed suicide.

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(no subject) - [info]bluefall, 2009-07-14 05:20 pm UTC
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[info]moneyless_jew
2009-07-15 01:07 am UTC (link)
Did he really diss the McGregor run?

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(no subject) - [info]arbre_rieur, 2009-07-15 06:36 am UTC

[info]psychop_rex
2009-07-15 07:11 am UTC (link)
Let's trim this down a bit:

"I love Black Panther! Love love LOVE 'im! *squeals* True, he was created by a pair of white guys, but that's not his fault. I don't like how he's been portrayed as a dignified monarch, so I think I'll turn him into an arrogant jackass, 'cause that's much more bad@$$. (Note what I did there. That's street.)
The Panther must be Hip Hop if he's to be black! He rules Wakanda, which is the GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, and we KNOW they are, because they HATE EVERYONE ELSE for not being as TOTALLY AWESOME as they are! 'Cause they aren't. They won't sell out to anyone, they won't deal with anyone, they won't even TALK to anyone. And they've been this way since the DAWN OF TIME. B@d@$$!
To underline how totally and completely b@d@$$ (street cred! Ba-bling ba-bling!) they are, I'm going to re-write BP's origin. Let's start things out by having his dad belittle a bunch of important white people about how stupid and white they are for thinking they could deal with him - a bl@ck man - on their own terms. Then in comes a classic villain, but he's stupid so I'm making him totally different, and I'm not including any other classic villains, 'cause they're also stupid and a white guy wrote 'em. Ugh, that pasty skin - forget it. Anyway, that guy's gonna invade Wakanda, 'cause he's a chump, @nd the W@k@nd@n$ @re gonn@ kick hi$ @@@@@$$$! Wahoo! This is gonna be so COOL!"

Did I get it just about right?
Also, the Black Panther DID change his name when the Black Panthers came along - he was the Black Leopard for a little while. Way to do the research, Hudlin.

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(no subject) - [info]smarmyimp, 2009-07-15 02:24 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]psychop_rex, 2009-07-15 10:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smarmyimp, 2009-07-15 10:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]psychop_rex, 2009-07-15 11:03 pm UTC
I remember that. - [info]nefrekeptah, 2009-07-17 05:46 am UTC

[info]smarmyimp
2009-07-15 08:12 pm UTC (link)
You know, I notice one thing he left out of his long raving about all T'Challa's super-duper-awesome points was the fact that he still keeps a harem despite being married to Storm. And if he keeps a harem, he's probably fuckin' 'em. You don't keep Playboys in the bathroom just to match the color scheme. (Well, unless you've found a new and interesting way of being a gay man in denial, I guess.)

Where does that little I'm-so-manly fantasy fit into Hudlin's Nubian ubermensch? Because really, if Black Panther is supposed to be the quintessential "bad@$$" black man, and he's still keeping his harem for whatever excuse despite the fact that he's married a Strong Confident Black Woman™, isn't all it's doing basically perpetuating the stereotype of black men as being unable or uninterested in staying faithful?

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(no subject) - [info]psychop_rex, 2009-07-15 08:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smarmyimp, 2009-07-15 08:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]psychop_rex, 2009-07-15 08:46 pm UTC
Good story, wasn't it? - [info]nefrekeptah, 2009-07-17 05:51 am UTC
Re: Good story, wasn't it? - [info]psychop_rex, 2009-07-17 05:59 am UTC


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