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Doop (xdoop) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-04-06 09:55:00

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char: ant-man/eric o'grady, char: black panther/t'challa, char: black widow/yelena belova, char: deadpool/wade wilson, char: ghost, char: green goblin/norman osborn, char: paladin, creator: bong dazo, creator: john romita jr., creator: reginald hudlin, group: thunderbolts, publisher: marvel comics, title: black panther, title: thunderbolts

Norman Osborn is almost as evil as the Black Panther

Withholding the cure for cancer? That's evil!

Also, how come some of the character tags for multiple characters with the same name have roman numerals (Captain America, Green Lantern) and some don't (Batman, Cheetah)?

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	angelophile 2009-04-06 10:09 am UTC (link)
	I love Eric. That is all. (Reply to this)

	Withholding The Cure For Cancer ?? peur_evol 2009-04-06 10:10 am UTC (link)
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	seriousfic 2009-04-06 10:17 am UTC (link)
	Norman is insane, whereas T'Challa is in full possession of his faculties. Norman is also meant to be the numero uno villain in the Marvel universe right now. So even when Marvel is TRYING, they can't write a villain to be more evil than Hudlin writes his heroes. golf clap (Reply to this)

	interrobamf 2009-04-06 10:28 am UTC (link)
	Also, how come some of the character tags for multiple characters with the same name have roman numerals (Captain America, Green Lantern) and some don't (Batman, Cheetah)? Because people realize how dumb the entire concept of applying Roman numberals to comic book characters is? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-04-06 11:01 am UTC (link)
	So do you use regular numerals (Batman 1, Batman 2), or do you not number the characters at all? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	interrobamf 2009-04-06 11:38 am UTC (link)
	No, I don't number the characters at all, because it's a silly and futile exercise to "order" comic book characters susceptible to retcon and obscurity. Even more so when their names are already there and provide disambiguation enough. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-04-06 12:01 pm UTC (link)
	You act like the comics themselves don't use that system. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	interrobamf 2009-04-06 12:46 pm UTC (link)
	You seem to have a weird knack of making rebuttals that have nothing to do with the point. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Mod Note: schmevil 2009-04-06 12:54 pm UTC (link)
	You're being unnecessarily rude. Dial it down or you'll earn yourself an official warning. (Reply to this) (Parent)

midnightvoyager.livejournal.com
2009-04-06 10:43 am UTC (link)

....it does not work that way. If the ratio of healing factor to cancer was raised, he would simply LOOK NORMAL and not hideous. We've ESTABLISHED this.

Come ON, Norman. What the hell do you think a tumor is? An abnormal GROWTH of cells. Are you saying that cancer exclusively wastes you away? And that a REGENERATIVE healing factor will do anything other than REGENERATE?

That's why his healing factor is so goddamn confused. The cancer's growing and his healing factor is trying to cut it out. He ends up with a nice, shifting array of lesions and tumors and other such nastiness on his skin. Tada. IT'S THE BASIS OF THE CHARACTER. If you're gonna do fake science, DO IT CONSISTENTLY.

I hope that they hit him with this and he gets up and goes "Woo, I look normal! Thanks, guys!" and skips away. With Bob.

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	midnightvoyager.livejournal.com 2009-04-06 10:47 am UTC (link)
	...I think something in my brain has snapped. Goddamnit, Marvel. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2009-04-06 02:43 pm UTC (link)
	Actually, I'm pretty sure that it's already been established that Deadpool-style Healing Factor - Cancer = BAD THINGS. I think it involved exploding skrulls. (Reply to this) (Parent)

(Anonymous)
2009-04-06 07:50 pm UTC (link)

Umm... no.

During Secret Invasion, Deadpool tricked the Skrulls into cloning him. after going on a crazed rampage that kileld the other super skrulls in the ship, the clones were back under Skrull control. But too little too late. Deadpool explained that they may have gotten his healing factor, but essentially they needed the cancer to keep it in check. Otherwise... and the clones exploded.

Sorry, I didn't mean yo be rude. But you should do a little research into whats going on Deadpool wise before you make a statement. Yes, the healing factor and the cancer do that tp each other but its been explained before, in Cable/Deadpool for example, that some of the dieseases he needs to stay alive. The science makes sense, the Cancer is a degenerative process, the healing factor keeps it in check and causes all those horrible lascerations but without the cancer to kill off cells the regenerative powers go out of control. It made perfect sense to me.

Its interesting to note that although the domain name has changed the people of Scans Daily have not.

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psychop_rex
2009-04-07 03:54 pm UTC (link)

Oh. Well, OK, if it's already been established in recent continuity, that's different - although it TOTALLY contradicts earlier stories where his cancer goes away for a while due to his healing factor and everything's hunky-dory. Anyway, I still don't see how regenerative processes can 'go out of control'. They're REgenerative processes, not generative processes - their purpose is to fix what's wrong in the body, not just grow stuff. If it were the latter, then that would make sense in terms of the exploding (I guess), but NOT in terms of Deadpool himself - a generative process wouldn't just heal his wounds, it would make him bigger and lumpier every time he got injured, because it GENERATES; it grows bigger. Another gutshot? Whoops, better grow a big ol' mound of flesh to cover it over. At this point in his career, he'd look like a misshapen ball of lumpy growths, about a thousand times worse than he is now; there'd be precious little human about him. A REgenerative process, on the other hand, simply slaps on some putty, as it were, and heals the wound. I don't see how something like that could make you explode minus cancer.
Anyway. Like I said, if it's been established, it's been established. But it's dumb, nonetheless.

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	freeman333 2009-04-07 02:27 am UTC (link)
	On the other hand, if it left him looking like Thom Cruz, he might not be so happy. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Oh, and seriousfic 2009-04-06 10:50 am UTC (link)
	Also, how come some of the character tags for multiple characters with the same name have roman numerals (Captain America, Green Lantern) and some don't (Batman, Cheetah)? Because who'd want to talk about Azrael or Boy Cheetah? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: Oh, and xdoop 2009-04-06 10:58 am UTC (link)
	There's already a tag for Sebastian. And even if you don't count Azrael or Sebastian, they aren't the only other characters who've used those names. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ashtoreth 2009-04-07 01:41 am UTC (link)
	We're actually supposed to put "char: supername/civilian name". That avoids the irritating process of remembering how many other versions there are. You can check the tags to see the previous usage. However, we are human and do forget. Then there are some who say "Brian Michael Bendis" instead of "Brian Bendis", etc. (Reply to this) (Parent)

psychop_rex
2009-04-07 02:34 am UTC (link)

Who is the freaky dude with the little flashlights installed just over his bug-eyes? He is more than somewhat disturbing.
And yes, the cancer thing is ridiculous. How can a healing factor 'spiral out of control'? The definition of 'healing' is 'making all the owies go bye-bye' (I'm paraphrasing). Surely if ONE owie went bye-bye, the healing factor would simply spread to all the other owies, like it does with Wolverine? How could a healing factor 'consume' you - that runs completely counter to what a healing factor IS. I mean, unless it decided that life itself was a wound or virus of some sort, but that's rather philosophical stuff for a healing factor...

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	longhairedlady 2009-04-07 04:55 am UTC (link)
	I mean, unless it decided that life itself was a wound or virus of some sort, but that's rather philosophical stuff for a healing factor... I could totally see Deadpool monologuing this, perhaps shorty after being shot with it. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	unknownscribler 2009-04-07 05:20 am UTC (link)
	Except because he had cancer when he was given it, Deadpool's healing factor considers constant owie to be normal. Remove the constant owie and it might start fucking him up trying to return to a state of normal that no longer exists. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

midnightvoyager.livejournal.com
2009-04-07 09:15 am UTC (link)

See, that does make sense. However, there's been at least one case in comics before Secret Invasion (In his own title) where his healing factor was turned to the max, outpacing the cancer and making him look completely normal. That seems to contradict the Secret Invasion story.

Of course, I shouldn't exactly expect constant consistency from comics that are not written by the same authors, but... Well, his healing factor knew well enough what his body was supposed to be like for that entire arc.

That's mostly what's had me confused.

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	unknownscribler 2009-04-07 09:34 am UTC (link)
	However, the cancer was still active so arguably it, like Wolverine's admantium, was enough to retard its wilder excesses. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	psychop_rex 2009-04-07 03:37 pm UTC (link)
	Exactly - and even if it DID give him cancer again, well, he's got cancer already, right? So how would that change things? Either he's cured of his cancer and he stops looking like a plate of raw hamburger, or he's cured and then his healing factor uncures him so he's back to square one. Either way, it's not going to kill him. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	jlbarnett 2009-05-18 06:34 am UTC (link)
	Maybe it would do things like prevent the splitting of cells that happens in the body? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	psychop_rex 2009-05-18 03:06 pm UTC (link)
	All right, I'll bite - how? And why hasn't it happened to Wolverine? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	jlbarnett 2009-05-18 05:16 pm UTC (link)
	By maintaining the status quo in the body? And Deadpool's healing factor doesn't work exactly the same as Logan's. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

psychop_rex
2009-05-18 06:12 pm UTC (link)

But why would a healing factor do that? The whole point of a healing factor is that it HEALS; it accelerates the natural safeguards that are already there. It doesn't keep healing wounds that aren't there, it waits until there ARE wounds - or any sort of bodily damage - and corrects it. A healing factor that messes up the way the body works is not a healing factor, it's a harming factor.

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	midnightvoyager.livejournal.com 2009-04-07 09:17 am UTC (link)
	Those aren't bug-eyes, IIRC. That's a gas mask type thing. It's... Ghost? Some Iron Man villain. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kali921 2009-04-08 01:46 pm UTC (link)
	What issue numbers are these respective pages from? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-04-08 02:00 pm UTC (link)
	Thunderbolts #130 and Black Panther #1. (Reply to this) (Parent)