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Tweak says, "Its real for us..."

queenursula (queenursula) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-10-09 22:25:00

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char: despero, char: starro the conqueror, creator: karl moline, creator: tony bedard

Starro vs Despero

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timemonkey
2009-10-10 07:36 pm UTC (link)

Not necessarily, she could just be different levels of thought. The basic Collective instant says "Assimilate now?" the Queen analysis the situation and decides yes or no.

There has to be something driving the collective, they force billions of minds into it against their will, on it's own it'd self destruct very quickly.

The Borg were never what we like to think about them, they just appeared that way because we knew nothing of them. Hell, for all we know the Queen is the collective wills of the original Borg, the ones that started on this mission.

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	icon_uk 2009-10-11 12:40 pm UTC (link)
	If the Borg Queen can over-ride the will of the Collective, then it's not a Collective, it's a Dictatorship, and god knows the federation faces enough of those. And it doesn't fall apart because all the drones are programmed to be part of the Collective, it can't fall apart because there are no individuals to disrupt it. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

timemonkey
2009-10-11 01:04 pm UTC (link)

No, just different, artificially created, levels of the same mind. They are not billions of voices working as one, they are billions of voices forced into submission by some undefined force.

The Queen has stated very clearly that she IS the Collective, not rules it, not controlls it, she IS it. She might just be an avatar for the Collective as a whole, or like I said before, the will of the orginal Borg species. Notice how neither Picard nor Seven are aware of the Queen until they face her outside the Collective? Possibly because she's not an individual entity but something more.

But in the end it remains, the Borg are not what we thought they were and while we don't know what exactly that is it is not exactly a dictatorship either.

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icon_uk
2009-10-11 02:04 pm UTC (link)

They are not billions of voices working as one, they are billions of voices forced into submission by some undefined force.

Forced into submission AND working as one, governed as we repeatedly informed, by the overwhelming desire to expand and assimilate.

To be frank, Locutus was not aware of the Queen because of the lurching great big "WTF?" that the whole notion of the Borg Queen was to the concept of the Borg Collective when she was introduced seven years later.

As soon as they introduced her, not only did the Borg get infinitely less scary, since they had a figurehead whose defeat would stop their plans though they seem not to miss her when she dies repeaedly, but they gained a human(oid) fallibility when she starts doign things like dicking around with Data.

And if she IS the Collective whey do we repeatedly have drones and the Collective telling her things, if she's the Collective, then she should know already, plus if she IS the Collective she serves no useful narrative purpose that couldn't be served by a disembodied voice.

Sorry, but when you need to get to the level of "they are not what we think they are", when all they've done for half a dozen years is tell us what they are at every opportunity ie a Collective which assimilates, and where no drone is irreplaceable or more important than any other, then suddenly one of them IS, then you've changed the fundamental concept to the extent of, IMHO obviously, derailing it.

They are no longer the scary, impersonal, Collective, they're just another alien armada with a sexily clad chick in charge. Been there, done that...

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	timemonkey 2009-10-11 02:08 pm UTC (link)
	Mileage varies, I don't think the Queen lessened things in the least. As they were the Borg were a one trick pony who were very repetetive. And since we don't know the true nature of the Queen we still can't judge them as a race. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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