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Fingolfin | Ñolofinwë Aracáno (nolofinwe) wrote in compass_network,
@ 2013-06-16 13:25:00

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I understand your position that life has inherent value and thus you seek to sustain it. But in the case of the dragons I must ask questions that you have not. You vote to keep these dragons on the island without understanding the weight of that decision.

So answer:

1. Where are you housing them.
2. How are you feeding them, and how will you sustain that feeding when you run low on herds?
3. Who has skill with animal husbandry? Do you have a realistic estimation for the length it will take to cultivate a sustainable herd with the single purpose of feeding three, full grown male dragons?
4. What will be done in the event a gold female arrives? They will breed and they will bear a new clutch of eggs that will grow to adult size. I am told somewhere between 20 and 50 new dragons each year.
5. If it becomes necessary, who will put them down?

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	famanoran 2013-06-16 08:28 pm UTC (link)
	Nobody will put them down. That's killing people, as well. I've already explained that to you. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	nolofinwe 2013-06-16 08:28 pm UTC (link)
	These questions are not for you to answer. We have discussed the matter. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	famanoran 2013-06-16 08:30 pm UTC (link)
	I'm not going to let you make blanket assumptions that about things you don't fully understand without contradicting you. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	nolofinwe 2013-06-16 08:33 pm UTC (link)
	You are misunderstanding the intent of these questions. I am a King of my people, but not the other islanders. And they must also be made aware of the situation. I have not said to kill them, I have not said I intend for it to happen. I am asking if it becomes necessary, which if you do not allow them to breed, it will not be. Listen. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	famanoran 2013-06-16 08:34 pm UTC (link)
	I am listening. And there's no reason to get your feathers in a bunch like an angry wherrie over something that's not even happening yet. There are no female dragons on the island, if you hadn't noticed. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	nolofinwe 2013-06-16 08:36 pm UTC (link)
	I do not think having a plan in the event it does happen is a bad thing. I would like to be prepared than caught off guard. As a leader of men you should understand that. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	famanoran 2013-06-16 08:37 pm UTC (link)
	Perhaps I simply don't see the problem with having a clutch of dragons. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	nolofinwe 2013-06-16 08:39 pm UTC (link)
	If we were not trapped on and island with limited food sources for the majority of the population, I would not question your knowledge or your desires. We must take into account more than our own desires in order to survive. This island does not belong to you or to me, it belongs to all of us while we live on it. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	famanoran 2013-06-16 08:40 pm UTC (link)
	Are there no masterherdsmen here? It is a big enough island that we could raise a herd of beasts quickly enough to assuage their hunger. For now, they can eat from the sea, and from he forest. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	nolofinwe 2013-06-16 08:41 pm UTC (link)
	That is why I am asking. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	genepunk 2013-06-16 08:28 pm UTC (link)
	If they become a threat to the community then I will do what I must as a Jedi to protect it. Reacting out of panic and a fear of what they might do is not rational or justified. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	nolofinwe 2013-06-16 08:40 pm UTC (link)
	Certainly, hence the discussion I undertook and now bring forward for all opinions to be voiced. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

genepunk
2013-06-16 08:54 pm UTC (link)

There are plenty of creatures large enough in the sea for them to eat, I've had to defend myself from predators there that were three times my size in my mer form. As long as they don't turn their nose up at seafood ~~and don't try eating me~~ I think we'll be all right on that score.

Housing them is also the responsibility of their riders, but there is an entire city that has barely a hundred souls. I think lodging will be found.

If a female dragon arrives then we will deal with the situation then.

I will defend the city by dispatching the dragons if it becomes necessary to do so, in the event they will not listen to reason and cannot be subdued in any other way.
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nolofinwe
2013-06-16 09:10 pm UTC (link)

Indeed, but how many of them are there? I would prefer to have a herd and herdmaster dedicated to the cultivation and feeding of dragons. A long term, sustainable solution.

They are upwards of 35 meters in length. They cannot be housed in any building in the city with comfort.

'Dealing with a problem then' is not finding a sustainable solution for the now. I would not want to scramble for a solution when we have one in place and prepared for them before it happens. That way there is no more argument and everyone is aware of what will be done.

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	genepunk 2013-06-17 12:16 am UTC (link)
	The dragons are sentient beings are they not? Perhaps they will have a solution to the population problem in the event a female arrived on the island. We could ask them, as a first step. I agree it needs resolving, but it does not seem one that needs it to happen immediately. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	felessan 2013-06-16 08:29 pm UTC (link)
	Are we going to neuter all the humans, too? People are much worse to the environment than dragons. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	nolofinwe 2013-06-16 08:30 pm UTC (link)
	Generally humans do not breed in litters, F'lessan. Neither do elves, we wait ten years between children, and of our population none of us are in a phase to bear children any longer. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	felessan 2013-06-16 08:31 pm UTC (link)
	I've told Golanth to fly if he sees you anywhere near him. Or any of your family. You're not neutering my dragon. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	nolofinwe 2013-06-16 08:33 pm UTC (link)
	I have not the skill to neuter a horse, let alone a dragon. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	felessan 2013-06-16 08:35 pm UTC (link)
	Good. Keep it that way. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	fallarnon 2013-06-16 09:12 pm UTC (link)
	F'lessan! Stand down, rider. Show some respect. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	felessan 2013-06-16 09:14 pm UTC (link)
	...yes, Weyrleader. I apologize, sir. (Reply to this) (Parent)

anotherhellhole
2013-06-16 08:54 pm UTC (link)

1, I reckon we'd ask F'nor, F'lar and F'lessan what sort of place they'd need for the dragons to live in, and work from there. I don't exactly know what a Weyr is, but I'm sure they'd help. I don't think they'd like living in the city.

Ikrans nest in the mountains when they're wild, but roost in trees once they're tamed. They're a lot smaller than these dragons, but I'm just pointing out, there's all kinds of options.

2, Do dragons eat fish? There's a whole lot of ocean out there. Which ties in with 3. Plus there are forests of all kinds on this island. So, no, I don't know offhand.

4, How long do dragons take to grow?

5, I would guess that would be up to the Dragonriders.

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nolofinwe
2013-06-16 09:04 pm UTC (link)

I do not think that the city can sustain a dragon. There are no buildings large enough to house them. If they choose to roost in the mountains then they will be near my home, and we are not friends to dragons.

I am certain their riders may get them to eat it if they must. But it isn't a sustainable solution. I want to find answers for the long term, not until we have another problem. Hence the desire for someone to take up the task of animal husbandry. None of my people have that skill and so cannot do it ourselves.

I am told anywhere between 2 and 3 years, but that depends on the length of a 'Turn' for the land called 'Pern.' Realistically speaking, none of us knows until we have a dragon born and grown here.

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