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Sam Winchester ([info]tallerthanthou) wrote in [info]marinanova,
@ 2013-04-13 21:15:00

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Entry tags::class, :mingle, artemis crock, buffy summers, elena gilbert, kitty pryde (aoa), martha jones, piper halliwell, sam winchester, xander harris, zatanna zatara, zero kiryuu

Class 001 : Day 214 : Ghosts — Woman in White
[Sam looks out over his fellow inmates, now students, wondering—again—if this was a good idea. He wanted to increase his stream of rehabilitation points "income" and this seemed like a plan. Good or not, here he comes. He clears his throat and gives them a smile.]

I should probably start by explaining what this class is about. It's Paranormal Studies which can include a lot of different things, and I'm going to be using my own world and experiences as a base. I know things can work differently in different [Micropause] versions of the world and on different worlds [For all you aliens in the audience.] so we'll talk about that too.

Some of the topics we'll cover might go into sensitive territory. There are people here who might fit into the subject of paranormal activity. That doesn't mean everything I'm going to say will fit those people. If there is one thing I've learned it's that there is always more to know, and life can always surprise you.

This class isn't about hunting. It's about education, and I think we can all learn. You'll probably have a lot to teach me too. [His eyes may linger on a couple of students before he turns around to write, "Ghosts" on the board.]


Overview : Ghosts

Where I'm from some people believe very strongly in ghosts even without ever seeing one, and some people are very sure they're just the stuff of blockbusters and bedtime stories. I know they're real. I've tracked them and when necessary [which is pretty much always, but he's being cautious] I've protected people from them. [By destroying them.]

Ghosts are people—humans—who have died and instead of passing on they stay because something is holding them to the living world. It might be unfinished business like an unsolved murder or someone they are trying to watch over or it could just be stubbornness and sheer force of will. Early on they might not even be dangerous, but years of existing without really living can change them or intensify what's already there.

They can make themselves visible—disappearing and reappearing. Sometimes they look completely alive and sometimes they look like they're in a state of decay or semi transparent. Some might have more control over that than others. They might be able to move objects by touching them or not and even kill people. There are different kinds: poltergeists, vengeful spirits, and the one we'll talk about today.

[ GHOSTS ]


Topic : Woman in White

The woman in white is a type of spirit where a woman is seen—usually dressed in white—maybe to represent purity or innocence. They tend to appear to men and usually have some kind of backstory where they were a victim in life. Maybe they were murdered or maybe it was just bad luck, but whatever it is keeps them locked in a cycle of luring men, sometimes to their deaths.

[ WOMAN IN WHITE ]


Case Study : Constance Welch

Constance Welch was a 24-year-old who drowned after she jumped off a bridge in Jericho, California. [Look at the memory on this one.] On a 911 call before that she claimed her two children drowned in the bath. Actually, she had drowned her own children after finding out her husband had cheated on her.

She spent her afterlife near the bridge she killed herself on. She'd appear to young men and ask them to take her home. They'd take her to the abandoned home she killed her children in and she'd say she could never go home. If they've been unfaithful, she kills them. If they haven't, she tempts them. [Suspicious how he knows all this, right? He even pauses a little at the memory of the ghost on top of him.]

She managed to kill ten men in addition to her two children. [He skips the part about how they killed her in this case. Or at least how they facilitated her death.]

[ CONSTANCE WELCH ]


Practical : Understanding and defense of ghosts

Some things to remember with ghosts is that the air temperature usually lowers when they're around. You might see your breath. It's also common for lights and other devices to flicker on and off. They also give off an electromagnetic reading which can be picked up with an EMF reader.

Ghosts are already dead, but they can be dangerous so it's good to know that iron will repeal them. If you're being attacked you can swing anything made of iron through them and buy yourself some time. You can also make a salt ring to keep them from passing inside it. Rock salt in a shotgun can disperse the ghost for awhile too.

The only permanent method for dealing with them is to find their body, salt it, and burn it. In some cases it gets more complicated, and you have to look for personal items they might have been attached to, but that's probably a lesson for another day. [And this would be that more dangerous territory where he is slipping into hunter mode.]

[ EMF ] [ SALT ] [ IRON ]

Questions & Discussion
That was already a lot, so who has questions and who wants to talk about their experiences?

(OOC: Mingle style. Notifs are off so tag Sam during class with questions or catch him before or after. Use your discretion with the links provided. Sam didn't necessarily cover every detail, but feel free to bring more into it. He will have additional ghost lectures though, so he wouldn't have gone into detail on poltergeists for example or given multiple case studies.)



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QUESTIONS
[info]tallerthanthou
2013-04-14 02:17 am UTC (link)
(OOC: Comment here with questions or discussions or interjections during class.)

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[info]matter
2013-04-14 02:52 am UTC (link)
[ elena showed up to class on time, but right under the bell, so the most she has to offer sam is a meaningful smile before she sits down. for the record, it's somewhere in a center-middle row. she's feeling somewhat out of sorts, considering she spent the day with rebekah and drinking, but she's sober now and ready to learn.

p.s. she saw and understood that look. elena takes dutiful notes as the class goes on, despite the fact the topic reminds her of jeremy, everything he's been through, and how she misses him. which is tangentially where her question comes from when she eventually raises her hand.
] I noticed you didn't mention ghosts who [ she pauses, shrugs slightly with one shoulder ] don't end up violent or vengeful. Could they ever exist? [ where you're from? is unspoken; she already knows they do in her world. or hopes. ]

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It's like you hate me.
[info]tallerthanthou
2013-04-14 02:57 am UTC (link)
[Sam feels a little nervous when Elena goes to ask a question. He's not sure how she'll take the concept of this class or what she'll think of it or him as a teacher. And while there are plenty of supernatural issues that factor in, there's also the very simple issue of boy impressing girl or at least not embarrassing himself in front of her.]

Anything is possible, and I've seen ghosts who were more protective than anything else. [He's thinking of his Mom right now and the way she protected them from an angry spirit in the house he was born into. It's a heavy thing to draw on, and he's definitely not going into that in class.]

But that doesn't mean they wouldn't change with more time. [Ghosts are like coal. They just need pressure and time to turn vengeful...or into diamonds. Whichever comes first.]

There's still a lot we don't know about them. [Hunters tend to learn enough to hunt and kill and if they have those bases covered they move on to the next topic because there's always something else making people die bloody.]

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what i hate is not having an edit button :c - [info]matter, 2013-04-14 03:27 am UTC
This is true. Then again we have a tracking button that doesn't track. Be specific with your wish. - [info]tallerthanthou, 2013-04-16 04:12 am UTC
but i thought i could have three. the genie said THREE. - [info]matter, 2013-04-16 07:37 pm UTC
Genies always lie! - [info]tallerthanthou, 2013-04-21 04:49 am UTC

[info]notamasochist
2013-04-15 03:26 pm UTC (link)
[In an attempt to facilitate more effort toward his rehabiliation, Zero's actually forcing himself to attend classes. This is his first, congrats.

A subject he wasn't sure he was too interested in when he walked into the class, but in the end he finds himself drawn to the subject and it gives him a lot of respect for Sam, knowing this is the sort of thing he dealt with back home.]


Ghosts can appear to possess physical manifestations at times?

[He'd always assumed that meeting with Ichiru had just been his subconcious mind at work. This is drawing out doubt.]

Do they commonly appear to people close to them?

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[info]tallerthanthou
2013-04-16 04:21 am UTC (link)
Sometimes you could put your hand right through a ghost and sometimes you can feel their touch. [Which is creepy by the way.] They never look fully...[Oh, what's a good word for it?] vibrant. [Dean would make fun of that word choice if he were here.] But you could mistake them for living especially if you wanted to. [And many people would.]

As far as appearing to people close to them? No, not necessarily. It depends on what is binding them to the world. In many cases it's a particular place or area they can't leave, so it would depend on who is there. They can also exist long after anyone they would have known has died. But with the right motivation that could happen.

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[info]doesntdamsel
2013-04-16 01:44 am UTC (link)
[This sort of class is right up Buffy's alley so she's there in the front row. She's got a notebook and she intended to make notes, but honestly, she ended up doodling. There's a reason she's not research girl.]

So have you had any experiences with ghosts here in the dome?

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[info]tallerthanthou
2013-04-16 04:24 am UTC (link)
[He still appreciates the effort!] Only during the day when all of us did, but those didn't behave like the ones I've studied. [re-killed] That doesn't mean there couldn't be any. Nothing about this place would surprise me.

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[info]trytobenormal
2013-04-22 09:23 pm UTC (link)
Have you ever had a situation where a ghost might actually be someone having an out of body experience? Where they're dead, but not completely dead?

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[info]tallerthanthou
2013-04-30 05:38 pm UTC (link)
[He answers that slowly.] Yes. [Dean has or something like it.] I think. Things get a little muddy with that kind of rare happening.

[There's a pause.] Have you?

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[info]tallerthanthou
2013-04-14 02:18 am UTC (link)
[Find the teacher before or after class.]

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[info]notrosesshadow
2013-04-14 03:16 am UTC (link)
[After class, Martha waits for an opportune moment to talk to Sam without too many people. She walks over looking nervous.]

Hi... I had an... incident the other day. It sounds like maybe you could give me more information?

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[info]tallerthanthou
2013-04-14 03:18 am UTC (link)
[The look keeps him from greeting her immediately as he waits to see what she has on her mind.] Incident? [Frowning. He's going to take that seriously.] Here in Marina?

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[info]matter
2013-04-14 03:31 am UTC (link)
[ this is elena all over this post. anyway, she approaches sam sometime after class has wrapped up with a smile. ] So do I call you 'professor' now? Mr. Winchester?

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[info]tallerthanthou
2013-04-16 03:55 am UTC (link)
[Congratulations at getting a smile out of him, Ms. Gilbert.] You should probably use professor. Mr. Winchester just shows I didn't get a doctorate.

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[info]notbabymagic
2013-04-14 02:25 am UTC (link)
[Okay, so it wasn't often that Zatanna actually went to one of these lectures because she was actually interested in the subject.]

[But this? This was interesting.]

[...not so interesting that she's not still magically spinning her pencil vertically on her table during the duller moments, of course. Because it wasn't like the supernatural was completely new to her. Still, just interesting enough that she actually considered staying until the end.]

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[info]matter
2013-04-14 02:50 am UTC (link)
[ elena has a thinking face on, but it's more friendly and amused than genuinely concerned. ] Did you come here to study yourself? [ not mentioning there might be a class on doppelgängers. ]

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[info]notbabymagic
2013-04-14 02:51 am UTC (link)
[Which is good, because concern is exactly what she's trying to avoid today, after the fiasco of having her emotions toyed with the previous day.]

Never hurts to hear an outside perspective on the subject, you know?

Even if they don't always get it right.

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[info]greenerarrow
2013-04-15 01:24 am UTC (link)
[It's her turn to go to a class with Zatanna, right? Don't mind her as she tries to grab the spinning pencil after awhile.]

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[info]stillshinigami
2013-04-14 05:11 am UTC (link)
[Well, he showed up out of boredom, and while he can't say he's a hundred percent sold on the idea of these things existing he is convinced it's a pretty neat story.]

So this thing actually happened somewhere. No kidding.

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[info]greenerarrow
2013-04-15 01:24 am UTC (link)
[Have a blond looking over at you, Duo.] Not sure you buy it?

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[info]greenerarrow
2013-04-15 01:27 am UTC (link)
[As it happens, Artemis has met a ghost before, so all this isn't so far fetched she guesses. Criminology and Paranormal Studies. It kind of makes her think sitting through history back at home seems tame by comparison.

She's very catch-able before or after class.]

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[info]kitty_has_claws
2013-04-15 01:28 am UTC (link)
[Kitty isn't sure if going to this class is going to be a new thing for her, but the subject made her just curious enough to show up for day 1. Don't mind her leaning against the back wall.]

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[info]trytobenormal
2013-04-22 09:25 pm UTC (link)
[Piper, on the otherhand, was a little more interested. She was curious how ghosts worked in other worlds, so she figured this might be a good learning experience. She recognized Kitty and gave her a small nod.]

Are you into the paranormal, too?

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[info]notapirate
2013-04-15 01:30 am UTC (link)
[Xander isn't into the whole school thing this prison has going on, but he was curious about the title, so he's there. No note-taking materials and he's not doing any homework!]

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[info]doesntdamsel
2013-04-16 01:44 am UTC (link)
[Buffy brought a notebook. It's covered in doodles.]

It's almost like high school all over again.

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