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Crowley went and got attached ([info]sinbroker) wrote in [info]wariscomingcom,
@ 2014-01-01 19:03:00

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Entry tags:caroline forbes, cassie sandsmark/wonder girl, castiel, charley brewster, claudia donovan, crowley, elizabeth jennings, faith lehane, jesse hauptman, jessica hamby, katherine pierce, kenzi, kol mikaelson, lauren drake, lydia bennet, martha jones, regina mills, ruby winchester, sidney prescott

No lingering loyalists and no kids under 12
Alright you lot. Since I'm less worried about getting stabbed up now, I need a complete list of everyone we know is in the Cage. I can't be bothered to go through any whining all your posts, so if you know someone in there, speak now or forever hold your peace.

The list as I know it (now with added hero types):

• Sam Winchester → Ruby Winchester
• Dean Winchester → Juliet O'Hara
• Rose Tyler → The Doctor
• Rebekah Mikaelson Salvatore → Elijah Mikaelson
• Hal/Harry Yorke → Lydia Bennet
• Bo Dennis → Kenzi
• Myka Bering → Claudia Donovan
• Amy Peterson → Charlie Brewster
• Harry Lockhart → Regina Mills (?)
• Diana Prince/Wonder Woman → Cassie Sandsmark
• Wesley Wyndam Price → Faith Lehane
• Endeavour Morse → Sidney Prescott
• Parker → Tim Drake
• Damien Thorn → Elizabeth Jennings
• Tony DiNozzo → Martha Jones
• Sydney Sage → Adrian Ivashkov

Anyone else?

ETA:

Okay, if that's everyone, now comes the difficult part. I need, for every person, someone willing to risk Hell to save them. There's a spell I'm working on, it's complicated, it's difficult, and if it all goes wrong everyone involved could be dragged into the Cage as well. Including me, so obviously I really hope it does work. But first stage, I need to have enough people volunteering. Have I sold the idea well enough yet?

[OOC: Okay! So this is the (mod approved) plot for Get Our People Back! As such, while you might feel you've got half a dozen characters who would cover many of the Caged folks, I'm asking you guys to offer one at a time, because we want as many players as possible involved in this! So have a think, offer up the first one, and come back in a couple of hours. If someone else relevant to one of yours still needs someone, go forth and offer them! Make sense?! ETA again! The exceptions would be Sam and Dean's people, since they'll need to be Ruby and Jules! So Briege and Yami, have a second one if you guys want!]


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[info]ofthursdays
2014-01-02 01:35 am UTC (link)
I have no assurance we have a better chance. This is untested. It could detroy all of them and those connected to them, including me and Crowley. No one knows.

So we can't say it's our best chance.

Safer is to reduce the number involved.

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[info]frostandsnow
2014-01-02 01:41 am UTC (link)
There is no way we do this that's tested

And we can't reduce the number. 1 person for every one in there. Someone with a tie to them willing to risk themselves, give of themselves. You to grab them, Crowley to open the cage and act a focus and Loki to ground him. We didn't ask for just anyone here.

This is magic, which means its got to be balanced right. We can't reduce the number.

Now are you going to find a million more things to add to a subject you know nothing about or are you ready to save these people

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[info]ofthursdays
2014-01-02 02:13 am UTC (link)
It's not foolish to question something like this. It's foolish not to.

Nor does it mean I am any less invested in the goal.

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[info]frostandsnow
2014-01-02 12:13 pm UTC (link)
And you have all the answers we can give you. We answer what you ask and you still come up with more. Is it guarenteed to work? No. But nothing is with this

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[info]ofthursdays
2014-01-02 07:53 pm UTC (link)
You're angry because I have questions?

You also criticise me for following blindly so I'm unsure how to match your expectations.

I will participate on the chance it will work. I don't what what can be done for any of us if it doesn't.

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[info]frostandsnow
2014-01-03 10:00 am UTC (link)
I'm angry because we give you answers, sensible ones and you still don't seem to be willing to be constructive. You're looking for reasons for us to be wrong.

I'm not saying blindly. I'm telling you what you want to know. You're just pushing it.

Nothing. This is a last ditch attempt. With the ultimate payoff if it works though

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[info]ofthursdays
2014-01-03 10:10 am UTC (link)
Sensible answers like you don't know if they are all going to die?

I am not interested in fighting for the sake of fighting. I am concerned we're making this riskier than we need to, risking more people than we need to.

If it works, yes.

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[info]frostandsnow
2014-01-03 10:14 am UTC (link)
Oh they wouldn't die. They'd get pulled into hell. But its a tangible plan. The ritual was mentioned in some texts, and frankly I'm fond of plans that have a basis in texts and fact.

Its risky whatever way you look at it. But we told people it was risky and they're still willing to try. That's enough for me. People obviously trust that its the best we've got. And they've already been down there too long for my liking.

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[info]ofthursdays
2014-01-03 10:20 am UTC (link)
Like the apocalypse? Not all plans written about bring good or were written by a trusted source.

Yes, every minute down there is too long but if we rush this we could make it worse.

They're willing, yes. They want them back too. All the more reason to protect them.

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[info]frostandsnow
2014-01-03 10:27 am UTC (link)
Funny enough the ones from our side tended to be legit. It was the angels that were the propeganda machine. We didn't need to lie about our intentions.

So what you want to wait around for another plan to fall out of the sky. We don't know how quickly time passes in the cage, its a whole new ballgame.

We'll be in there too. Me and Crowley both. We're taking the risk, the others are willing to take the risk. We've explained to anyone that's asked. We're being open about the dangers and people still want to save their friends, we're protecting them as much as we can, Loki's gonna anchor Crowley, we're gonna have people nearby to try and salvage it if we need to. Hell if it makes you feel any better we'll get the nature witch to do some rebalance thing.

We're doing everything we can to ensure this is safe and protected but there aren't any guarentees. But we have to do this soon or what we get back won't be 100% them.

Every single other involved person is happy to try, even knowing the risks. Doesn't that tell you something?

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[info]ofthursdays
2014-01-03 10:33 am UTC (link)
Your side lied to Sam and Dean about your intentions willingly enough.

All the power we have here and only a blood spell on humans will work?

If this goes wrong there won't be anything to salvage.

They are not happy. They are desperate. As am I. If I wasn't finding out about this at the end perhaps it could be changed. It's too late now. We're desperate.

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[info]frostandsnow
2014-01-03 01:18 pm UTC (link)
Yup. We did. Massive huge stonkers of lies. Because demons. But the texts we have, the ones that were ours had the most accurate of predictions outside of making a prophet sing. So y'know, deal with it.

Its nothing to do with them being humans, as it happens the volunteers aren't all human. Its to do with blood, and the link to these people, however tenuous it'll have to be for some. You talk about the person lost, link the person in the ritual to the person in hell and pull. It'll make them easy for you to spot and we can get this done. If y'know, you stop asking about the metaphysics of it and accept that the witches know what they're talking about.

Stop it. Stop assuming you can fix everything on your own. Loki couldn't do this on his own. Me, Crowley, anyone. This is a team effort and even with a years advance warning we couldn't have changed this, maybe refined it a bit more but that's about it.

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[info]ofthursdays
2014-01-03 01:39 pm UTC (link)
There is nothing more "legit" in the information from your side. It was just distributed differently.

No, not all, but many are. And Crowley has already admitted that the link could be as dangerous as it could be helpful so why should I trust these witches when even Crowley has doubts? I know nothing of the origin of these texts or what the intentions of the authors.

I never said on my own but that doesn't mean a more wide-spread discussion couldn't have come up with something else.

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[info]frostandsnow
2014-01-03 01:43 pm UTC (link)
So you say.

Because we do. And because there are some secrets demons might want to keep from Angels even now. The information is sound. And when did you intend we have this disucssion. Crowley found the info, showed me the info, posted the info, asked for help, got it, we're doing it.

Or did you intend that we come up with several plans and put it to a vote what with all that time we have to spare while our loved ones are sharing a cage with two pissed off archangels.

Look fine, you can sulk and complain about it, the rest of us are going to plan and we're going to do this as soon as possible

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[info]ofthursdays
2014-01-03 01:51 pm UTC (link)
Yes.

Because you and Crowley do? Because that's how it is around here? We follow the King of Hell's every word. No. That's just you. even though you know how Sam feels

After he found the text and before he decided it was the only way.

According to Crowley I am required. If that's true I have to do it. There is nothing else as everyone has already agreed to it and I can't strike out on my own with so many trapped.

But this new dynamic won't last when they are returned. Hell may be under Crowley's control, but Lawrence is their domain. The humans. The other who truly see it as home.

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[info]sinbroker
2014-01-03 02:08 pm UTC (link)
Ooh I love it when you use my new title, it makes me feel all tingly.

But really, don't think of me as the King right now, think of me as someone who actually gives a shit about a few people in the Cage right now and who is willing to do a fuckton to get the job done. Someone who has not actually stopped researching since this started.

I have checked and rechecked, and confirmed the translations and every safety concern I can think of. I have spoken to others about this, you were invited to discuss it, but you seemed utterly focused on rumors and gossip, while I do prefer actual facts when it comes to plans risking my neck.

Now, I know, I know that you wanted to be the big grand hero and do this all on your own and be worshiped and adored by all for it, and it must be eating you up inside that a pair of demons have actually cared enough to work on this, and not only that, but said demons are trusted enough by the good people of Lawrence that they're helping us with this. But frankly? Get over it. This is more important than your need to prove yourself relevant.

And yes, I control Hell, and yes, the people here have Lawrence. And? I've never wanted Earth, made that clear all along. Have you really not paid any attention in the, what, year you've been here?

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[info]ofthursdays
2014-01-03 02:16 pm UTC (link)
It seems impossible to speak to one of you without the other. I recall when there was a distinction between you.

I don't want to be a hero. I want to get them back safely, that is all. I want them to have something to come back with. Your plan is risky, as you freely admit. I question it out of concern for them.

In no discussion we had did mentioned these texts or this blood spell until today. I have heard no rumours or gossip. I have heard nothing from anyone on this till now and even "facts" are only your word the text is good.

I have heard what you said, yes.

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[info]sinbroker
2014-01-03 02:19 pm UTC (link)
Ah, because we're in agreement about things, that makes it wrong.

Please, you want to be the shining hero and have everyone know just how brave you are. Yes, the plan is risky. We're talking about the Cage here, there is always going to be risk. But the people seem willing to take the risks.

I made it clear I was researching. And I found the blood spell the day before I mentioned it. Your only suggestions involved angel gossip, and frankly, it sounded like utter bullshit to me. Do you want to read the texts yourself? Do you want to waste that time? Because they are right here.

Ah, so you're being either stupid or deliberately obtuse, fair enough.

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[info]ofthursdays
2014-01-03 02:27 pm UTC (link)
No. Because a conversation with one of you is impossible. You have become as a unit.

Those are your words. I have no interest in glory. I want them safe, I will take any risk for them but I'd rather understand it first. There needs to be some chance it will work. More chance than of catastrophe.

Yes. You said you were researching. That is not discussion on findings.
And your assessment is no more valid than my concern.

I see you holding sway over proceedings here. That will change when they return. What they fought for, their autonomy. It's what I fight for now.

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[info]sinbroker
2014-01-03 02:37 pm UTC (link)
We both have points relevant to the conversation. If you don't filter something, anyone can contribute to it.

My words, as prompted by your actions, but it's okay, we can just know it's about your ego without you needing to admit it. As far as I can tell, there is a good chance of this working. I'm not going to lie to these people and say there's no chance of it going wrong, I'm being honest here. It could work, it might not. Others here have faith in my skills.

Oh, I'm sorry, did you want to take the time to have a committee meeting? Want me to draw you some diagrams? I've explained how the spell will work, I've talked to the relevant people, what else do you bloody want, Castiel? The longer you delay things, the worse they'll be for everyone in the Cage.

It will change, will it? Because you say so? Or how about people will think what they want to think, even if it is choosing to trust a pair of demons. I'd say sorry for the fact Ruby and I have friends being so offensive to you, but I don't actually care. We have friends, get over it.

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[info]ofthursdays
2014-01-03 02:44 pm UTC (link)
She is capable of making them. If it was the one time it wouldn't be noteworthy but it happens every time I speak to one of you. That has significance.

Some things are important enough to discuss. I was also not the one who expanded this discussion beyond the relevant parameters. I said a long time ago I'd do it.

Not because I say so. Because they are so utterly... human. I am not offended you have have friends. I am concerned for them. I am concerned for my friends. I want them to have a place of peace to exist in. A place that is theirs, not contingent on the grace of Heaven or Hell.

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[info]frostandsnow
2014-01-03 02:30 pm UTC (link)
Oh believe me. I don't follow his every word. Often I disagree with him entirely. Only one demon ever got that loyalty from me. And don't think I don't know what this is. You're so convinced I'm out to hurt Sam, playing some long game that involved birthing an antichrist. You have no idea who I am. You have no idea why I switched sides because you still can't look past the demon.

Nope. You can't. It would be pointless and your fault we couldn't try at all.

Hell doesn't want Earth. Or did you not notice Crowley trying to undermine Lucifer all this time, and y'know, fighting with us. Lawrence belongs to humans, of course it does, and witches, and aliens and werewolves and vampires and everyone else who has fought tooth and nail to keep humanity from being wiped out.

Just so we're clear on where we stand

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[info]ofthursdays
2014-01-03 02:39 pm UTC (link)
I see you and Crowley moments behind each other in all matters of late. You travel and converse together. If you disagree it's done out of sight. The front you present is united. It's not about the demon. It's what I see now. What I see you do. I'm far enough out of Heaven to have learned the difference. I have lived independently too. You know how Sam feels about Crowley but you have only solidified your connection to him. How would I be a friend to Sam if I didn't have concern about the things that concern him? Because, despite your implications to the contrary, I have the capacity for friendship, for loyalty. To choose where I place it. I want to give you a chance, for him, but you make it difficult.

I do not like to be trapped into situations by demons. By anyone. If this wasn't to retrieve them it would end very differently. But it is so I will go.

Crowley is against Lucifer. I'm aware of that. That doesn't mean I will agree with him on other matters.

Yes. It does. That is what I said. It's what I believe. It's what I will defend.

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[info]frostandsnow
2014-01-03 04:54 pm UTC (link)
Needs must at the moment. And frankly Sam knows how I feel about this version of you. We're not each others keeper. And I have tried Cas, for the sake of the old you, the one that was my friend, I tried to be okay with you. And I'm really not the one making it difficult here.

You can't help it, can you? If this wasn't for this, if circumstances were different.

Its infuriating.

I'm not asking you to agree on all things. Just this. Just do this because I have every hope that it will work. If not you can say I told you so from the cage

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[info]ofthursdays
2014-01-04 12:22 am UTC (link)
I'm not a threat to Sam. You know that. It's not the same. If making it easy involves ignoring my, and his, concerns about Crowley then it's better if it's not easy. First he is my friend. He has been a good friend to me. I wish to be one back. If he is my friend than his concerns are my concerns. That's how it is, isn't it? With friends.

I will do it. For them I'll do it.

All of them.

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