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Remus is still fighting it (fallingshort) wrote in thequest,
@ 2019-06-22 09:48:00

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!: journal, !: text, c: fabian prewett, c: florinda mcgonagall, c: gideon prewett, c: lily evans, c: remus lupin, c: sirius black

28 June: Friday night research
[WARD TO PREWETT TWINS ]
What do you two know about Dark Marks? The tattoo variety rather than the ominous one in the sky. And how it may or may not work with or against the Order Pact?
[/WARD TO PREWETT TWINS]

[WARD TO LILY EVANS]
Lily.

I really don’t mean to be dramatic, but the world hates, me doesn’t it? This is punishment for actually being happy. I am also still switching between wanting to rattle him and wanting to wrap him up and never let anything touch him.

This is also a very solemn question: am I a bad friend? Specifically have I been a bad friend to Peter?
[/WARD TO LILY]

[WARD TO FLORRIE]
As a general inquiry, what do you know about trauma? Mental rather than purely physical. What sort of treatment options are out there?
[/WARD TO FLORRIE]

[TEXT TO SIRIUS]
Peter is at the flat. Let’s try not to kill him. Please.
[/TEXT TO SIRIUS]

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	Sirius + Remus, after a long delay padds 2019-06-22 02:55 pm UTC (link)
	I'm not going to kill anyone. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Sirius + Remus fallingshort 2019-06-22 03:07 pm UTC (link)
	That is as much for me as it is for you. Busy tonight? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Sirius + Remus padds 2019-06-22 03:24 pm UTC (link)
	It's Friday at a pub. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Sirius + Remus fallingshort 2019-06-22 03:30 pm UTC (link)
	My favorite night to bother you. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Sirius + Remus fallingshort 2019-06-22 03:31 pm UTC (link)
	Instead we have set up on the couch watching movies. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Sirius + Remus padds 2019-06-22 03:37 pm UTC (link)
	Probably for the best. How's Hairy Pupper? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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lionsheart
2019-06-22 08:18 pm UTC (link)

Er, not a lot. What I know, that is. We don't really do that much here in Britain, which you'd think we would given what we know about the war. I'd look for Muggle resources first. Anyone who does it here is going to be Muggle-friendly. Mungo's can be really backwards about certain things.

I can look into some options. Talk to people outside Mungo's. One of the things I want to do when I get further along in my career is open up to more Muggle options and bring those practices in.

~~If this is about something specific~~

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	Florrie + Remus fallingshort 2019-06-23 02:18 am UTC (link)
	Okay. So maybe less about resources and more about general guidance on or tips for a person interacting with another person, who has experienced trauma. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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lionsheart
2019-06-23 05:43 am UTC (link)

We're talking here about Death Eaters, I presume. Seeing something they did or actually being tortured? I mean honestly a lot of us have some trauma to work out from coming on the scene and seeing what was done. Finding bodies. That sort of thing. I can talk about personal experience from that, and some of the informal advice I've had.

It's more tricky if the person has been a direct victim.

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fallingshort
2019-06-24 01:18 am UTC (link)

Let's move passed hypotheticals because if I give you context you're smart enough to figure out I am talking about Peter.

Without saying everything, Peter was a direct victim and has been suffering since. I don't think I realized how bad it was until recently. To make matters worse he acted in a way that hurt me deeply which came to light a few days ago.

On some level, I assume his actions were a response to his trauma and lack of support, but...

I feel like he has betrayed me on some level. So part of my is angry at him, but also guilty and wanting to help.

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	Prewetts + Remus disobedient 2019-06-23 05:50 am UTC (link)
	Doing some research. In the meantime don't double-swear. Being caught in competing oaths that compel opposite actions can get very messy. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Prewetts + Remus fallingshort 2019-06-24 01:21 am UTC (link)
	It's not me I'm worried about. But could a new dark mark oath be created? I thought The Dark Lord would have to do it? And how would that even work? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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disobedient
2019-06-24 02:06 am UTC (link)

No, I didn't think so. Of your lot you're the only one with half a lick of sense. Not counting Lily.
The answer to that question is unclear. Depends on how the Dark Mark works. And/or if another Death Eater knew enough to make their own using some artefact, or any number of other things.
It's complicated. Still, if the oaths come into conflict and they're strong enough, it would be very bad.

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	Prewetts + Remus fallingshort 2019-06-24 02:24 am UTC (link)
	We might need to work on some answers sooner rather than later. It could also be nothing, but I don't think I trust my luck that much. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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disobliged
2019-06-24 02:53 am UTC (link)

I can tell you what I found in the archives, which is basic stuff and also says that each Dark Wizard who binds their followers creates their own Dark Path and they will be unique. It's all specific about how to break it, and it's not very optimistic, but it has lots of detail on things not to do. Quite graphic

So you know, none of this may apply in this particular case.

There are two general classes, once is a living spell, which is an evocative name for a spell that has been programmed to evade detection and to respond to its master. The other is a type of feudal binding. Basic contract is promise of protection for promise of service. In general magical bindings, neither of those is common any more, outside of dark wizardry, and that's not that common.

Both types are effectively a mark of ownership by or allegiance to a Dark Wizard. They can't be seen by others unless the Wizard or the Marked wants them to be seen. They're very difficult to detect, especially if the Marked isn't cooperating. This makes them difficult to use in prosecutions, because they're hard to prove or disprove.

They're often tied to a power to compel someone, either to attend the Dark Wizard or otherwise to do something. They have been known to denote status amongst the followers, and allow one minion to give orders to the unmarked, or two marked minions to recognize each other. That's pretty suspect, though. You'd have to risk exposure to do that.

They're said to be difficult to remove, but they will fade if the tie is broken. Historically, it doesn't seem to prevent murdering your master and taking his place, but it requires something like that to break it. There's an account of a witch with a mark on her hand. She cut off her hand and re-grew it, and it was still marked.

Have you seen one? I don't know of any proof that He Who Shall Not used them, but it's quite likely, and rumors abound.

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	Prewetts + Remus fallingshort 2019-06-24 03:23 am UTC (link)
	I may have seen one. ... ... Hypothetically, if we had a willing subject would you be able to test the bond? Figure out how it works? It's limits, and how to break it? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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disobliged
2019-06-24 04:29 am UTC (link)

Well, you've already proven more than anyone else has on the subject if you've seen one.

We could almost certainly tell if it was the "living spell" or the "bond of vassalage" type.

It would also help quite a bit if your willing subject were willing to describe the bonding and the effects. If we could get it written up, it would advance knowledge of the field immensely. Most of the records are from the dark ages.

But yes, that's exactly what we've each trained for, in slightly different and complementary ways.

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	Prewetts + Remus fallingshort 2019-06-24 01:23 pm UTC (link)
	I may have seen one, but wanted some more information before I went digging. I will share more information as I am able. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	Gid disobedient 2019-06-24 03:46 am UTC (link)
	Are you reading what I'm reading and thinking about exactly how fucked we are? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Fab + Gid disobliged 2019-06-24 04:30 am UTC (link)
	Mostly I'm thinking about how fucked we've been and wondering how long we've been fucked in this particular war, but yeah. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Fab + Gid disobedient 2019-06-24 04:34 am UTC (link)
	I think we can do the arithmancy on this one and say since the autumn. Just so you know if he sold out Molly and her children I will lose my temper. I don't get to say that I won't be responsible because I know I always am, but we both know it's bad when I lose my temper. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	Remus & Lily lilliputian 2019-06-24 04:00 am UTC (link)
	The world doesn't hate you. We're all cursed to live in interesting times. And you are no more a bad friend than the rest of us. I wish I'd seen. I wish he'd felt he could tell someone sooner. Are you all ok? Do you need us, or better if we stay out of it right now? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Remus & Lily fallingshort 2019-06-24 04:05 am UTC (link)
	That's the part I'm struggling most with -- why didn't he say something sooner? It's incredibly awkward over here. We might need to consider shifts. I don't think he should be left alone or unsupervised. The other side of it will be if and how we report back to the rest of the Order. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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lilliputian
2019-06-24 04:23 am UTC (link)

Perhaps he felt like he was letting us down? Or perhaps he thought we had other problems to deal with. All we can do is make sure he knows we're here for him now.

Which we are. We're happy to have him (or all of you) over here with us for a bit, or give us half an hour to pack a bag for the sprog and we can come over there to give you a spell.

We're going to have to tell Minerva, at the very least. But I'd like to have a firm grasp on exactly what we're telling her, and maybe some strategies for damage mitigation, before we do.

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fallingshort
2019-06-24 01:21 pm UTC (link)

She marked him, Lily. I still don't know what that means, but I don't like it. And the more I think about it, the least I want him going around to yours.

I get having secrets you won't or can't tell, but ... I thought we were past that.

I have been talking to the Prewetts and they might be able to get us more solid answers, but this also means I am going to actually have to talk to Peter.

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