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neuhallidae ([info]neuhallidae) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-08-17 22:08:00

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Entry tags:char: ant-man/wasp/hank pym, char: captain america/steve rogers, char: hawkeye/ronin/clint barton, char: iron man/tony stark, char: jocasta, char: ms. marvel/carol danvers, char: scarlet witch/wanda maximoff, char: thor, char: vision, char: wasp/janet van dyne, char: wonder man/simon williams, creator: david michelinie, creator: george perez, creator: jim shooter, group: avengers, in-joke: what were they thinking?, publisher: marvel comics, title: avengers

"The Child is Father To..." or, "So many levels of EW."
Gather 'round, chilluns, it's storytime.

I was originally intending to post some Christian-comic cheese, but having the memory of this brought up made me insistent on sharing the pain, especially since the original S_D went bust and took this with it. Thus, I bring you the story of how Carol Danvers gave birth to her own rapist, featuring pages and partial pages from Avengers #197-200*.



Once upon a time, Ms. Marvel and Scarlet Witch are walking along a beach, discussing Wanda's growing desire to have children, when suddenly, Marvel collapses.



Wanda rushes her to the hospital, where she gets a massive surprise.



And not only is Marvel pregnant, the baby is growing at a rate no baby should, and yet it's not causing her any added physical stress. But emotional stress... hoo boy.




Meanwhile, the other Avengers have been off dealing with a giant mecha called the Red Ronin, and are more than a little surprised to come home to a pregnant lady on the couch.



While the initial mood at the coming of a baby is joyous, later that night, things are more subdued, as they worry about their teammate.



They all gather to keep an eye on the labor, but it's not exactly the usual sort.






After an amazingly quick and painless birth, the happy mood's returned over the brand new and seemingly healthy baby boy, but, understandably, not everyone's sharing it.



Things start to calm down, until it becomes evident that the pregnancy isn't the only thing that grew abnormally fast.



Damn, that last panel's really creepy looking. Anyway.

Meanwhile, Carol's very much over being the vessel for some creepy kid, but decides to take the advice to confront the problem...



Who's becoming a bigger problem by the minute.



And as if this weren't bad enough, at the same time that the creepy kid's continuing to shoot up at an impossible rate, reality is going haywire. Dinosaurs popping up in Central Park, etc. And then, when Carol does go see 'her' child...



Ew.

And several pages of reality-chaos later, the levels of creepy just shoot right off the charts as Marcus is forced to explain what the hell is going on.






In case y'all missed that bit, allow me to make it bigger.



Once again, EW.



...Er, guys? Did you totally forget that he can do mind control? Why are you just- oh, fuck it, nevermind.

And thus, one of the creepiest stories to come out of comics in 1980 closes, and Carol Danvers vanishes from the comics for a bit. But not without some noise, as a lot of people, including some Marvel staff, thought this story was way over the top in skeeze. Chris Claremont was so annoyed that when he brought Carol back as part of the X-Men storyline in Avengers Annual #10, he had her explicitly call the Avengers out for being complete dumbasses in allowing Marcus to waltz off with her without even making sure she really was going willingly.



*Issue 200: Roughly 10 1/2 of 35 story pages.


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[info]interrobamf
2009-08-18 03:39 am UTC (link)
I will convey my feelings in a photograph.


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[info]sandoz_iscariot
2009-08-18 03:41 am UTC (link)
Ew. Ew. Whoever thought this was okay?

And eyes are rolling at Dr. Sensitive there. "An unplanned pregnancy causes distress? Gasp!"

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[info]neuhallidae
2009-08-18 03:42 am UTC (link)
Jim Shooter, apparently, since according to Carol Strickland's essay on this crap, he overrode another story idea for it.

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(no subject) - [info]starwolf_oakley, 2009-08-18 04:00 am UTC
Reposted for wording fail. - [info]neuhallidae, 2009-08-18 04:04 am UTC
Re: Reposted for wording fail. - [info]starwolf_oakley, 2009-08-18 04:09 am UTC
Re: Reposted for wording fail. - [info]neuhallidae, 2009-08-18 04:12 am UTC
Re: Reposted for wording fail. - [info]sinisterlink, 2009-08-18 04:12 am UTC
Re: Reposted for wording fail. - [info]xdoop, 2009-08-18 04:15 am UTC
Re: Reposted for wording fail. - [info]starwolf_oakley, 2009-08-18 04:21 am UTC
Re: Reposted for wording fail. - [info]ashtoreth, 2009-08-18 08:50 pm UTC
Re: Reposted for wording fail. - [info]neuhallidae, 2009-08-18 09:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ashtoreth, 2009-08-18 09:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]neuhallidae, 2009-08-19 03:37 am UTC
um so this may be my biggest pet peeve about MC2 - [info]felinephoenix, 2010-05-27 04:10 am UTC
Re: um so this may be my biggest pet peeve about MC2 - [info]ashtoreth, 2010-05-31 07:41 am UTC
Re: Reposted for wording fail. - [info]rab62, 2009-08-18 04:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bluefall, 2009-08-18 05:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]arbre_rieur, 2009-08-18 06:36 am UTC

[info]sinisterlink
2009-08-18 04:10 am UTC (link)
Ick. I've read this before, but it seems to get skeezier everytime I read it. On a related note, I really wish I had a scanner so I could post that scene from The Pulse where Jessica Jones is having her baby and the thing with Carol's baby/rapist gets brought up.

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[info]bluefall
2009-08-18 07:52 am UTC (link)
What, this?

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(no subject) - [info]neuhallidae, 2009-08-18 07:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bluefall, 2009-08-18 07:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]neuhallidae, 2009-08-18 09:15 pm UTC

[info]foxhack
2009-08-18 04:20 am UTC (link)


Photobucket

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[info]stolisomancer
2009-08-18 04:29 am UTC (link)
This was one of the first stories that made me aware of what was going on behind the scenes at Marvel, mostly because of how righteously pissed off Claremont was about it. I honestly don't think you can post this without posting Claremont's follow-up from Avengers Annual #10, if only because of how fucking mad he was.

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[info]neuhallidae
2009-08-18 04:32 am UTC (link)
I would, except I don't have the pages. If someone has them and doesn't mind sending them to me, I'd be happy to add to this post or make a follow-up one (Or they could post them, that works too, and is less typing for me).

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[info]perletwo
2009-08-18 04:34 am UTC (link)
Has anyone posted Carol's beautiful, beautiful smackdown on the A's from Annual #10 here in the New Place yet? I don't recall seeing it, and I've got it if there's a market for seeing it posted.

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(no subject) - [info]neuhallidae, 2009-08-18 04:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]perletwo, 2009-08-18 04:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]perletwo, 2009-08-18 05:41 am UTC

[info]scottyquick
2009-08-18 04:32 am UTC (link)
Can anyone post the Annual?

Trying hard not to throw up here.

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[info]perletwo
2009-08-18 05:41 am UTC (link)
The deed is done!

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2009-08-18 10:42 pm UTC
i try, but no macro is truly sufficient for what is posted here
[info]bluefall
2009-08-18 05:11 am UTC (link)

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Re: i try, but no macro is truly sufficient for what is posted here
[info]khamelea
2009-08-18 08:04 am UTC (link)
Operatic in magnitude!

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[info]superfan1
2009-08-18 06:17 am UTC (link)
9 different levels of ew and so wrong

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[info]interrobamf
2009-08-18 07:04 am UTC (link)
On the other hand, the last page of #199 is funny. With how bored and completely uninterested Wanda seems to be in the situation and how dramatically the doctor says "--THREE MONTHS PREGNANT!" Is that how he announces all of his diagnoses?

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[info]neuhallidae
2009-08-18 07:12 am UTC (link)
That'd be Don Blake, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's channeling a little of his alter-ego there.

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(no subject) - [info]neuhallidae, 2009-08-18 07:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]interrobamf, 2009-08-18 07:19 am UTC
Greek Tragedies Assemble!
[info]proteus_lives
2009-08-18 07:04 am UTC (link)
This storyline could give 60's DC a run for crackiness.

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[info]heat16
2009-08-18 07:06 am UTC (link)
Thats funny. I was thinking about this story arch only a few days ago. I wondered whatever happened to that kid.
Is he ever mentioned again?

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(no subject) - [info]neuhallidae, 2009-08-18 07:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bluefall, 2009-08-18 07:20 pm UTC

[info]tahngarth
2009-08-18 09:02 am UTC (link)
I'll just echo what everyone else has said. Jim Shooter had "special" ideas about comics (he also had Thor mind-controlled and raped by Moondragon, if I recall right) and through some sort of nether sorcery managed to concoct the worst possible story for Avengers #200.

Landmark issues -indeed-

And this started the long-standing tradition of using Carol Danvers as a universal punching bag.

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[info]requiem2adream
2009-08-18 10:05 am UTC (link)
EWWWWWWW! *points at icon*

I've not seen that before, though I'd heard about it. I wish I'd never done either.

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[info]galateus
2009-08-18 08:20 pm UTC (link)
So, so wrong. Bonus link to Carol Strickland's essay?

And huh, apparently not only were the Avengers were insensitive morons, but Jocasta-bot was living up to her incestuous name long before she started wanting to mack on her creator's creator.

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Somebody else's meme
[info]ashtoreth
2009-08-18 08:58 pm UTC (link)
Photobucket

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*hysterical laughter *
[info]jazzypom
2009-08-19 10:05 am UTC (link)
That is... yeah. Every time I read this, this is my face -> :/'

Jan is all, "You've a beautiful baby!" and "Yeah, I'd be in a rubber room too, c'mon let's go and meet your kid." 0.o

What?

And then he comes hunting for a lady to imprint himself on and they allowed Carol to leave? Even if she'd wanted to, I'd have thrown her into a containment chamber for her own good. Whoa, just whoa.

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[info]jarodrussell
2009-10-05 09:00 pm UTC (link)
What is it about super-powered blonds and fast-aging pregnancies that give comic writers hard-ons? Ms. Marvel and Power Girl both went through this crap.

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