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Doop (xdoop) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-03-09 15:48:00

Entry tags:

char: superman/clark kent, char: wonder woman/diana of themyscira, creator: gerry conway, creator: jose luis garcia-lopez, in-joke: herodickery, publisher: dc comics

Superman vs. Wonder Woman!

This is from Superman vs. Wonder Woman (All-New Collectors' Edition #C-54). It's by Gerry Conway and Garcia Lopez.

This takes place during World War II.

The fight ends on a draw when the two recieve an SOS from America and return to Earth.

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	yaseen101 2009-03-09 03:40 pm UTC (link)
	"Instead of talking through our problems let's settle this through mortal combat." So that's how Lois and Clark does it. No wonder they aren't divorced/killed yet. (Reply to this)

	oldmanrain 2009-03-09 03:52 pm UTC (link)
	I'd like to say this is ridiculous but..if me and my friends had superpowers, we'd fight all the frickin' time too. Ditto for lightsabers (Reply to this)

	volksjager 2009-03-09 04:17 pm UTC (link)
	I always love those fishbowl space protection s. Cold ? no problem difference in pressure nah.... (Reply to this) (Thread)

bluefall
2009-03-09 05:05 pm UTC (link)

Well, for Diana? No, not really. She shouldn't actually need the fishbowl either; she ambled around outer space unprotected all the time in the Golden Age, and I've seen later stuff where she's underwater or in space with no helmet as well. Always bugs me when they give her one post-Crisis too - if they're headed out to Pluto, or something, fair enough, but there's never been a near-Earth combat that's lasted longer than we know she can hold her breath (call it half an hour minimum, based on some of the longer JLA fights).

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	thandrak 2009-03-09 05:20 pm UTC (link)
	In the golden age, her earrings supplied her with all the air she needed. As for fighting... eh, it sucks when you get punched in the gut and you kind of needed that oxygen. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

bluefall
2009-03-09 05:27 pm UTC (link)

We're talking about characters who can endure hard vacuum and near light-speed impacts and being in the middle of explosions that crumple mountains, and you're suggesting getting winded by a punch is a concern? I think if you're already positing that a creature can survive multiple hours without replenishing a two-gallon air supply, assuming that it can hold on to that air supply even when it gets punched really hard in the gut is sort of automatic.

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	crinosg 2009-03-09 04:20 pm UTC (link)
	I'm surprised Superman got so pissed over getting punched. I mean he's Superman, he must get punched like fifteen times a day. I can't imagine he would take it so personally. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	sherkahn 2009-03-09 04:55 pm UTC (link)
	Waits for it..... the chris brown reference.... ... gonna appear here sometime soon..... twidles thumbs (Reply to this) (Parent)

	unknownscribler 2009-03-09 05:26 pm UTC (link)
	Way to go Supes. You stumble across the ruins of a lost civilisation, there's no longer any immediate danger of conflict, and you go and try to donkey punch your friend. Also, why isn't there a superdickery tag? (Reply to this)

	longhairedlady 2009-03-09 06:12 pm UTC (link)
	"That was foolish, woman! How dare you think about history when I want to beat you up?" The superdickery is strong in this one. (Reply to this)

	dr_hermes 2009-03-09 07:11 pm UTC (link)
	Never liked Gerry Conway's scripting. It was over-simplified, melodramatic and clumsy, basically all the bad traits of 1970s comics writers. Didn't he go on to success writing network TV? It shows there's a big market out there for that sort of thing. The art, on the other hand, was fine. Garcia-Lopez was one who benefitted from the huge tabloid size. (Reply to this)

	schmevil 2009-03-09 10:03 pm UTC (link)
	12 pages? Is this an extra long issue? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-03-09 10:14 pm UTC (link)
	Yes. http://www.comics.org/details.lasso?id=245193 (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	schmevil 2009-03-09 10:16 pm UTC (link)
	Cool, thanks. :) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kenn_el 2009-03-10 12:28 am UTC (link)
	She has a MAGIC lasso, for crying out loud! Why would things ever devolve into a slugfest? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	superfan1 2009-03-10 09:01 pm UTC (link)
	It was time for their annual slugfest quota and had to fill it that day? (Reply to this) (Parent)

raattgift
2009-03-23 01:31 am UTC (link)

Another "how does the invisible plane work?" episode!

It's space. There is essentially no atmosphere. That means no lift, either on your wings or on your rotating wings (prop blades). (aside: http://www.x-plane.com/ is awesomesauce, and does good enough Blade Element Theory that you can see what happens if you try to fly a plane anything like Wondy's at altitudes higher than 40 000 feet above mean sea level, if you can even get that high).

It's invisible, but it casts a shadow on the moon? (p 42 last panel, and in the overlaid big panel on p43 (at the right margin)).

It's invisible, but we can see her. Can she see the instruments? Or just the sort of ghostly outlines? Can we RADAR her even if we can't RADAR the plane (assuming the plane is transparent in more than just the visible spectrum)? Or if not RADAR then a visible-wavelength laser analogue?

Wondy is awesome, but needs to hit Supes harder. Her punch delivers about 10 MJ (making a couple assumptions about Supes's mass and the distance to the skyline), which on the moon is only about a fifth of the energy needed to send him into outer space. However, as noted in the 2nd panel, there is lots of off-axis energy loss I'm not counting (e.g. shocks and friction), so she might only really need to hit him twice as hard as she did on the earth.

Not shown is the equal and opposite 10 MJ that Wondy has to dispose of, mostly by dumping it into the ground through her feet. Perhaps her bones can twist internally to store that kind of energy without her melting or exploding, or there is serious magic in her high heels. I bet she has no trouble in them on ice.

For comparison, pro boxers might deliver 1/20 000th the energy (500 J) without breaking themselves; well-trained baseball pitchers might manage almost 200 J throwing a fastball, a major league home run hitter might deliver 500J through the bat.

The kryptonite tower panels actually show that massive objects still have inertia in much weaker gravity fields.

Finally, Wondy went about this wrong; from Leo Szilard we now know that the number of office lights visible at night from outside Eckhart Hall and at the football stadium tracked very closely with the progress being made on the Chicago Pile-1 part of the Manhattan Project. The researchers were in the former building, the pile itself was built under the "unused" bleachers at the latter. Added bonus: Supes is less strong after sunset, right?

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