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nalanzu (nalanzu) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-06-07 22:14:00

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char: green lantern/hal jordan, group: green lantern corps, publisher: dc comics

I may be overanalyzing this.
This showed up in the back of a Superman comic, I think; the bit where Hal Jordan decides what the world needs is another Justice League. There was something about it that really bothered me, and I am wondering if it was just me.

Does this:

remind anyone else of this?

Here it is again. Seriously, am I the only one who thinks that it's just a short step from these-

-to these?

Before DC went all retcon and decided Parallax was a fear demon, Hal-as-Parallax's primary motivation and defining characteristic was that he wanted to fix things and make them right. It seems to me that what he appears to be doing in A Cry For Justice is incredibly consistent with his actions during Zero Hour. It's just a little less, um, drastic.

Yeah. I'm wondering if this is bothering anyone else.

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statham1986
2009-06-07 08:41 am UTC (link)

I still don't see how this justifies him breaking apart the League and establishing his own. Given he's meant to be a decent friend to Dinah, surely he'd be lending her his total support and offering her help in reforming the League into something stronger and bitch-slapping Queen into doing the same.

As it is, he doesn't have any right to talk, given he's often been slotted out of the roster for John in most stories, so where's he been whilst everything else was going on?

As much as I like Robinson's writing, this is still one of the most contrived reasons for setting up an alternate squad that I've ever seen.

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	savok 2009-06-07 08:55 am UTC (link)
	If McDuffie taught us anything, it's don't blame the writer for whatever happens with the JLA. Chances are it isn't their fault. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

statham1986
2009-06-07 08:59 am UTC (link)

True. But Robinson seems to incur a little more of Didio's respect, at the very least, moreso than McDuffie, although I have heard tell that Batwoman was put on the team by mandate.

But still, this is obviously something Robinson wanted to explore, and I'm curious as to how much he was given the good treatment by Didio and allowed to alter the roster of the current JLA line-up to put this together. After all, Congorilla and Mikhail-Starman hardly scream of editiorial shoving their hands in, if you ask me. So I wonder if McDuffie was forced to cater to this as well as everything else.

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	kingrockwell 2009-06-07 08:08 pm UTC (link)
	Batwoman? Ugh, I don't want anyone but Rucka touching her for at least the first year. Can't we at least establish who she is before they start potentially mangling her? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	filbypott 2009-06-07 09:31 am UTC (link)
	If McDuffie taught us anything, it's don't blame the writer for whatever happens with the JLA. Chances are it isn't their fault. Except for Brad Meltzer's run. -_- (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

shadwing
2009-06-07 10:53 am UTC (link)

The amount of leyway you get in DC depends on two things

1) How big of a 'name' are you?
2) How much does Didio fangirl your work?

Meltzer is a NYT's Best Selling Author with lots of public name reconigtion ergo Dan would be hard pressed to tell him what he can and cannot do, the main reason he left the title wsa because he had to finish 'Book of Lies'

Morrison and Johns have Dan as a devoted fanboy ergo they can do no wrong in his loving eyes

Other have mostly escaped Dan's meddling...but Dwayne is a minor player compared to the above so his POV means squat.

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yaseen101
2009-06-07 11:11 am UTC (link)

Look at his resume and the work he has done over at DCAU and the Milestone Universe. He is practically up there with Dini and Bruce Timm in shaping the DCAU so it just depends only on 'How much Didio fangirl's your work'. Meltzer was already popular with his work on 'Identity Crisis' so it stands to reason that he would be put on JLA. Dwayne didn't have much of work on the mainstream DCU and you have to admit it was a bad time to be writing JLA when you got big events in practically every title, Batman RIP, Superman: New Krypton, etc these events have to be known before hand so that a writer will be able to move around them easily unfortunately for him it kept changing. One time they say "you can go ahead and do this' and then later they say 'no, no you can't do that, do something else".

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	batcookies 2009-06-07 11:54 am UTC (link)
	Just FYI, Dwayne's editor on JLA was Eddie Berganza. As in the guy that had it in for Young Justice and gave Johns moronic character-harming orders for Teen Titans. (Reply to this) (Parent)

thehefner
2009-06-07 12:28 pm UTC (link)

I know you mean Meltzer's JLA, not IDENTITY CRISIS, but I can't help but recall this piece where it was revealed that editorial, not Meltzer, wanted Sue Dibney to be raped because, in the words of a certain editor, "We need a rape."

So yeah, I'm not sure how much of Meltzer's run you blame him for, but more and more I'm willing to blame DiDio and his editorial minions for the shit that happens in superhero comics.

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yaseen101
2009-06-07 11:00 am UTC (link)

Don't know how relevant this is but Mc.Duffie's original idea was for BC to disband the League and her to rebuild it again herself. Unfortunately editorial stepped in and he got kicked out. The fact is Hal Jordan is now DC's favorite thing now, he has now got his own animated movie, his live action movie and a successful comic franchise. Stands to reason they would want to give him his own team just to make the fanboy's wet themselves.

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	jlbarnett 2009-06-07 12:04 pm UTC (link)
	Not to bash McDuffie but that is why I absolutely hate stories where a character is torn down to be belt back up. Someone working on a comic book or a TV show should always think "what happens if I don't get to finish their arc," before they start something like that. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	yaseen101 2009-06-08 01:59 pm UTC (link)
	Well IA with you there but characters need to be developed if a story is to move forward. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	jlbarnett 2009-06-08 04:55 pm UTC (link)
	who says they need to be un-developed first though? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jlbarnett 2009-06-07 12:02 pm UTC (link)
	technically he's not breaking apart the League. John is the JLA's Lantern. They have Red Arrow not Green Arrow. Hal and Ollie's League with have SuperGIRL and BatWOMAN. I'm not sure they're actually appropriating any members. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	statham1986 2009-06-08 01:37 am UTC (link)
	John wasn't the JLA's Lantern in the beginning of this current run, Hal was. I'm fully aware of the fact that Hal isn't really taking any members from Dinah's League other than himself, but at the same time, in a world without the Big Three, you'd be expecting Hal to realise that pulling together, not forming splinter groups, is the right thing to do. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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