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Tweak says, "FEED ME!"

volksjager (volksjager) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-03-05 16:54:00

Current music:	James joyce and sodomy " I wanna move to Earth 3"
Entry tags:	char: alexander luthor jr., char: johnny quick, char: lex luthor, char: lois lane, char: owlman, char: pariah/kell mossa, char: power ring, char: superwoman, char: ultraman, creator: george perez, creator: marv wolfman, publisher: dc comics, title: crisis on infinite earths

Bye , bye Earth 3...

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	sailorlibra 2009-03-05 04:23 pm UTC (link)
	Definitely the best world evah, I was under the impression that they hadn't be destroyed, however. Since this world appeared in JLA before IC happened. Was that just a fluke or did Earth-3 secretly survive? (Reply to this) (Thread)

(Anonymous)
2009-03-05 04:57 pm UTC (link)

Mark Waid brought back the multiverse with The Kingdom in the late-ish 90s. Since the multiverse was back Grant Morrison wrote JLA: Earth 2 (Since Earth 2 didn't exist, Earth 3 moved up one space, but it recently had to move back, alas what a short lived promotion.)

Then I don't know what happened because the multiverse appeared as late as Kurt Busiek's JLA run, but still DC announced Infinite Crisis and everybody went nuts because it was going to bring the multiverse back... and the whole thing is all kinds of retarded, but that's how DC works. DC is like God, but instead of mysterious, it's retarded.

But in short, that's why Earth 3 appeared before IC.

I used to post as Cissie King in the old SD, but I haven't created an account here yet.

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volksjager
2009-03-05 06:23 pm UTC (link)

Yeah "earth 2" was an awfull title for that GM Book. The KB brought them back as the crime synducate from Qwad,they now were changed by what happened in JLA/ Avengers so now they could move between worlds ect. As for post Final Crisis , who the hell knws anymore. Insane journal isn't bad I did a little exploring earlier today,so I may use this for other things as well.

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	cissie_king 2009-03-05 07:23 pm UTC (link)
	> As for post Final Crisis , who the hell knws anymore. People capable of reading. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	cissie_king 2009-03-05 08:07 pm UTC (link)
	Okay, that was too bitchy, but THAT part of FC is the less complicated of them all. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	volksjager 2009-03-05 08:50 pm UTC (link)
	Ok , I'm all ears let me have it. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	cissie_king 2009-03-05 08:56 pm UTC (link)
	The multiverse is just like it was before Final Crisis started, but now without monitors. Nothing happened to it. TA-DA!!!! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	volksjager 2009-03-05 09:01 pm UTC (link)
	Ah, where did the monitors go ? and what about that scheme of Monarch's ? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	volksjager 2009-03-05 06:25 pm UTC (link)
	Also I thought what Waid brought back was "hypertime" not the Multiverse. (?) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	cissie_king 2009-03-05 07:21 pm UTC (link)
	Same thing in practice. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	volksjager 2009-03-05 07:23 pm UTC (link)
	That makes my brain all hurty... (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

cissie_king
2009-03-05 08:04 pm UTC (link)

Well, before Hypertime writers couldn't use parallel universes in DC stories. A universe where everybody is evil, a zombie, has a beard was almost impossible.

Some writers managed to pull it off from DCU Vertigo books where they didn't care about stupid limiting rules like that, or they showed a parallel universe but called it a "pocket universe" just so everyone could pretend it was something else; because for some reason a certain number of dumb fans had convinced themselves that the multiverse was a bad thing and that it was too complicated for their feeble minds and that's why it had to go away. Never mind that Marvel had a multiverse and nobody complained; probably not even the same fans who complained about DC but also read Marvel.

So, Mark Waid presented the concept of Hypertime to bring back the concept of multiverse without undoing Crisis on Infinite Earths. And that's how we got Grant Morrison's Earth 2 book and other things like the Superboy: Hypertension storyline. And then DC published Infinite Crisis and we all have to pretend that never happened and that the multiverse was back at last.

And that's the short version of why I should rule the universe and my death squads should ride across the land thinning the herd.

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	volksjager 2009-03-05 08:49 pm UTC (link)
	Superboy: Hypertension ? More info please :) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

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	buttler 2009-03-06 12:52 pm UTC (link)
	It's worse than that, I'm afraid. The Crime Syndicate of Amerika's Antimatter Earth is not the same as the Crime Society's Earth 3. Both versions have showed up since Infinite Crisis, although never in the same story. So now we have two alternate universe evil JLAs to worry about. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	volksjager 2009-03-06 01:01 pm UTC (link)
	So, your saying there is the potential for Superwoman on Superwoman action ? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	buttler 2009-03-06 01:02 pm UTC (link)
	Potential? Heck, I'd say it's a moral imperative. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	volksjager 2009-03-06 01:07 pm UTC (link)
	Dueling lassos. (Reply to this) (Parent)

cmdr_zoom
2009-03-05 05:29 pm UTC (link)

Fans of the Silver Age waited and wanted and hoped for the multiverse to come back, even though the whole point of the original Crisis was to get rid of it (and all that confusing history). Instead, all that DC managed to accomplish was making its single new continuity even MORE confusing, in part because no one seemed to be able to agree what the new story was going to be. (Part of the old multiverse's job was to allow for such variance between artistic vision.)

There were a number of attempts to bring it back, partly inspired by rosy nostalgia but also by the awareness that as a matter of practicality, you can't have "all stories are true" in a setting with so many creators and so much scope... but like the various incarnations of Supergirl, people kept tripping over each other trying to do it "right" according to their ideas. Thus you got stuff like Hypertime, 52, etc. By now it's gone through so many reinterpretations that it's hard to say just what the structure of the DCU cosmos is supposed to be. It's the same problem bumped up to the next level of meta - everyone wants to tell THE DEFINITIVE STORY of how all stories are possible.

Moral of the story? "Too many cooks spoil the broth" and/or "be careful what you wish for," I'd say.

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jlroberson
2009-03-05 05:51 pm UTC (link)

Thing that DC found is that the (mainstream) comics they put out afterward alienated everyone but their oldest fans, who LIKED all that confusing history.

Mainstream fans like that stuff. Otherwise Marvel would no longer exist, as if you recall they've never thrown out said history, and theirs is a lot more twisty and vast, whereas what was confusing about DC is that often they ignored it. They were trying to be more like Marvel in adhering to only one.

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	liliaeth 2009-03-05 06:35 pm UTC (link)
	The silly part is that now, Marvel is trying to be like DC, by ignoring vast bits of its continuity while pretending it all makes sense. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	volksjager 2009-03-05 06:52 pm UTC (link)
	One more day... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	foxhack 2009-03-05 06:52 pm UTC (link)
	"Otherwise Marvel would no longer exist, as if you recall they've never thrown out said history, and theirs is a lot more twisty and vast, whereas what was confusing about DC is that often they ignored it." ... Did you ever look at Brand New Day? :\ (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	jlroberson 2009-03-06 09:17 pm UTC (link)
	Until recently, I should have said. And yes, I did, and GOD was it lame. Pretty art though. (Reply to this) (Parent)

ebailey140
2009-03-06 12:10 am UTC (link)

I don't see where it's confusing. Nobody promised to undo CoIE, and reset everything like it was.

Hypertime was just a device to allow for re-setting continuity at any point. What happened in Infinite Crisis/52/Countdown was something different, recreating the Multiverse, but not the same one we had, before.

All this is is allowing any story with these characters in any medium and Age to have happened, somewhere. The main DCU is Earth-0. Whatever else has been done that doesn't fit in main DCU continuity happened on one of these other Earths. The Golden Age comics that don't fit current continuity happened on Earth-2. Whatever in the Batman animated series from the '90s and it's spin-offs has it's own Earth. There's an Earth for The Dark Knight Returns and it's tie-ins (It has a number, but I prefer the name someone at the old Scans Daily gave it: The Goddamn Earth). Towards the end of Countdown, one of the Earths became Kamandi's, which is where the New Gods wound up at the end of Final Crisis.

So, presumably, Earth-1 would be the Silver/Bronze Age Earth. Don't know what shape it would be in, though, after Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow.

What we likely won't get are the annual crossovers, or entire series set on one of these other worlds. Too bad, because I liked the DCAU. :)

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	volksjager 2009-03-06 06:54 am UTC (link)
	Towards the end of Countdown, one of the Earths became Kamandi's, which is where the New Gods wound up at the end of Final Crisis. There is a body of work to suggest that Kirby wanted to link Kamandi to the fourth world, "The great didaster" having been caused by a rouge Boomtube accident. Maybe we shall hear more. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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