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jlroberson ([info]jlroberson) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-05-16 01:26:00

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Current location:Seattle
Current mood: blah
Current music:Fischerspooner
Entry tags:creator: alan moore, creator: kevin o'neill

Mack the Ripper, or Lulu Never Gets A Break
A bit that stuck out from the immensely enjoyable new League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

At the moment, I happen to be working on a comics adaptation of Frank Wedekind's "Lulu," and poring over every version of it I can find. I even found a French TV version that had Udo Kier in it, as he always seems to be in everything.
As Alan Moore has over the years instilled in me a serious awareness of weird coincidences, I was pleasantly surprised and a little weirded out to see that, in the midst of his restaging of The Threepenny Opera(which he and O'Neill do as though born to it, but Moore has always had a serious Weill influence), he brought in--nearly precisely--the ending of the play "Pandora's Box," and made what is in the play, literally, Jack the Ripper, Macheath in the midst of Moore's new version of that song we all know well. And this Lulu is of course based on Louise Brooks, well-known to many here as the face of one of our posters. Anyway, I liked the sequence so here it is(though the new twist to "Pirate Jenny" is pretty awesome, but that would be too many pages):
Basic setup: It's London, and Macheath has returned, and Lulu is walking the streets, having gone through(fatally) a number of husbands, and ended up from wealth and status to this. (Not really through any fault of her own exactly. Men just destroy themselves around her)

And here we have an altercation with the first lesbian in Western fiction, Countess Geschwitz, obsessed with Lulu and rejected by her, and getting a bit tired with only having an old painting of her to cuddle. But Mackie's not having that.

And we say farewell to Lulu. Though there is this back cover, and there are any number of paintings just like this from the turn of the century. Depictions like this of women were very popular with middle-class salongoers.


I would add that an even stranger additional coincidence was the recent release of the "Tales of the Black Freighter"(which I liked) which has the "Pirate Jenny" song, quite central to LOEG, playing over the credits. But the imagery in that song is something that goes deep in Moore.
By the way, for fans of "the Ruling Class"--the 14th Earl of Gurney also plays a central part in this. Also Iain Sinclair's Billy Pilgrimish Norton from "Slow Chocolate Autopsy," who can travel in time but not in space and is trapped in London, flashing between eras, and Moore does a great pastiche of Sinclair. It also has Crowley, sort of, as usual with Moore these days. And Orlando turns out to be a real douchebag. I suggest getting it. For those who didn't like THE BLACK DOSSIER, here's your action. But now you'll also see the use of the info in it.


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[info]icon_uk
2009-05-16 03:48 am UTC (link)
I think it says something about me (I'm not sure what) that as soon as I started to read the lyrics I was hearing it to the tune of "Oh my Darling, Clementine" not "Mack the Knife"

Worryingly it works... and now I can't stop hearing the lyrics to Clementine to Mack the Knife!

ARGH! Make it stop!

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[info]jlroberson
2009-05-16 04:12 am UTC (link)
You think that's bad, pick an Emily Dickinson poem at random and then think of "Yellow Rose of Texas."

No, now it's never going away. Say hi to Schumann in hell. Nyah hah hah!

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[info]icon_uk
2009-05-16 04:23 am UTC (link)
Oh that one I've known for years, actually I heard it before I'd ever read any Emily Dickinson poetry, which left me with a very skewed outlook on her from the outset.

For specialists in the field, it was Tom Lehrer who noted that Gilbert and Sullivan used the same rhythmic and lyrical patterns a couple of times, and you can sing "I am the very model of a Modern Major General" to the tune of "My eyes are fully open to this awful situation" (The "matter" trio) from Ruddigore

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(no subject) - [info]geoffsebesta, 2009-05-16 06:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darklorelei, 2009-05-16 06:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]icon_uk, 2009-05-16 06:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darklorelei, 2009-05-16 07:07 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]darklorelei, 2009-05-16 07:16 am UTC

[info]mysteryfan
2009-05-16 06:59 am UTC (link)
Works for "Oh, Susanna" too.

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[info]darklorelei
2009-05-16 06:32 am UTC (link)
I know the references are kind of the point, but I really, really don't think I'd be able to read this BECAUSE of the references. Too distracting. Even as much as I adore the Three Penny Opera.



(Also I had to watch a production of Berg's Lulu in my 20th Century Music History class and it induces the urge to kill, soooo.)

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[info]oakenguy
2009-05-16 12:41 pm UTC (link)
I was in a production of Threepenny Opera, and I still thought the sheer amount of singing in this story was ridiculous.

In retrospect, I can't believe I wasted money on this and left 'Pet Avengers' on the shelf.

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(no subject) - [info]darklorelei, 2009-05-16 03:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jlroberson, 2009-05-16 04:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]darklorelei, 2009-05-17 12:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]arbre_rieur, 2009-05-16 04:38 pm UTC

[info]jlroberson
2009-05-16 04:22 pm UTC (link)
Induces the urge to kill? Oh come on, Alban Berg is NOT Schoenberg. His music goes someplace.

I'm biased--I also like WOZZECK and also considered adapting it, after reading about those soldiers who came back from Iraq and killed their wives. Come to think of it, given what you said, it's interesting his operas so often revolve around killing...;)

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(no subject) - [info]darklorelei, 2009-05-17 12:49 am UTC

[info]jlroberson
2009-05-16 08:05 pm UTC (link)
How are the references distracting? I personally enjoy them, and for me they only enrich the story. Am I a literature nerd?

Granted, unlike comics nerds, those get dates, so that wouldn't be bad.;)

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(no subject) - [info]darklorelei, 2009-05-17 12:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jlroberson, 2009-05-17 08:26 am UTC

[info]geoffsebesta
2009-05-16 06:47 am UTC (link)
I am so completely not into this. It's weird. I feel like I felt when the first new Star Wars movies were coming out. In theory this should be the greatest thing since sliced bread; Moore, O'Neill, and Threepenny Opera! But the art could not be more dull and the story doesn't even scratch my interest. I picked it up at the store, then put it back down.

I suspect that

a) LEG was always O'Neill
b) O'Neill's getting bored.

YMMV.

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[info]mysteryfan
2009-05-16 07:02 am UTC (link)
Well who wouldn't want a picture of a fully-clothed creepy guy looming over an emaciated naked tenement house lady?

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[info]jlroberson
2009-05-16 04:48 pm UTC (link)
The reference is to a number of paintings from that time. (Franz Von Stuck would be an example) Check out the book IDOLS OF PERVERSITY, which examines this particularly odd trend in 19th century mainstream art. Basically, middle-class people liked going to the salon and looking at paintings that were disguised pornography.

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[info]khaosworks
2009-05-16 08:51 am UTC (link)
The polarised reaction to this story is quite interesting. I think for people who were expecting another adventure-romp like the first two volumes this might be a bit slow moving, but Moore was already moving away from the action and into the exploration modern myths and fiction interacting with the "real world" much more already with Black Dossier. I guess I'm more into the metafiction angle and the Easter Eggs, so I enjoyed this immensely, especially the "Pirate Jenny/Jenni" plot. I'm already wondering if Moore is planning to publish a rewritten libretto for the Threepenny Opera - hell, I'd try to put on a performance of his take.

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[info]jlroberson
2009-05-16 04:43 pm UTC (link)
They're really going to flip when the next volume goes to the 60s and brings in Jerry Cornelius.

My opinion of the detractors: you want hackneyed and predictable storytelling that's just like what you're used to, isn't DC giving you enough? Go read some Geoff Johns, you'll feel warm and safe again.

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(no subject) - [info]besamim, 2009-05-16 05:17 pm UTC
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[info]fungo_squiggly
2009-05-16 09:01 am UTC (link)
But... Mack the Knife was a ladies' man and underworld kingpin type. Sure, he did horrible things. But he certainly wasn't a Jack the Ripper style serial killer.

No sir, I don't like it. Bertolt Brecht would sue, again. Not that it did him much good the first time against Pabst.

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[info]besamim
2009-05-16 12:54 pm UTC (link)
According to Jess Nevins' LoEG annotations, it was Brecht who first identified (for fictional purposes) Macheath with Jack the Ripper.

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(no subject) - [info]fungo_squiggly, 2009-05-16 01:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]arbre_rieur, 2009-05-16 04:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fungo_squiggly, 2009-05-16 04:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jlroberson, 2009-05-19 02:46 am UTC

[info]jlroberson
2009-05-16 04:44 pm UTC (link)
You do know that Threepenny was already Brecht's own reworking of THE BEGGAR'S OPERA, right? Changing this when adapting it is entirely fair.

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(no subject) - [info]fungo_squiggly, 2009-05-16 04:47 pm UTC
HERE MIGHT BE A SPOILER OR TWO
[info]jlroberson
2009-05-16 04:59 pm UTC (link)
A few things. For those who haven't read it, spoiler alert:




One, "Jenny" wasn't Nemo's daughter either.

Two, Geschwitz pulls out a gun and is in a crazy state. My feeling here is that Macheath came in looking for tail, but thought maybe they were trying to rob & kill him(Lulu as bait--it's not an unusual mugging tactic), and took revenge as a gangster would. Keep in mind, Lulu and Geschwitz were probably speaking German and he couldn't understand. It doesn't overtly say--in fact denies at the end--that he's JTR. It just puts him in the character's place in this scene. (In my Lulu, he's not going to be JTR either, but mine is in the present day)

Also, Macheath here is not feared or disliked by the people at the docks(look at the ending where he dances with Polly Peachum). My feeling is that this murder was unusual for him. Particularly given it turns out it's the 14th Earl of Gurney who was Jack the Ripper.

And yes, THAT character only thought he was JTR and was hallucinating that he was in 1888. But I still like the reference. And given Norton's time travel, even that might fit in. And besides, remermber: at one time or another, EVERYone's been thought to be the Ripper, and this fits with that.

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Re: HERE MIGHT BE A SPOILER OR TWO - [info]arbre_rieur, 2009-05-16 05:10 pm UTC
Re: HERE MIGHT BE A SPOILER OR TWO - [info]jlroberson, 2009-05-16 05:15 pm UTC

[info]mullon
2009-05-16 03:37 pm UTC (link)
What I'm wondering is if I should buy this now or wait to see if the entire Century will be put in tpb.

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[info]jlroberson
2009-05-16 04:46 pm UTC (link)
From what I understand, you'll be waiting a while. The reason each of these volumes is self-contained is to avoid people getting annoyed from waiting.

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[info]volksjager
2009-05-16 07:46 pm UTC (link)

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[info]aaron_bourque
2009-05-18 08:11 pm UTC (link)
I'm speechless too.

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(no subject) - [info]volksjager, 2009-05-18 08:16 pm UTC
Here it is ... - [info]volksjager, 2009-05-18 08:31 pm UTC

[info]jlroberson
2009-05-18 09:59 pm UTC (link)
As long as we're doing video, for those unfamiliar with THE RULING CLASS: please meet the 14th Earl of Gurney.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vze0utkYypI

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