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batcookies ([info]batcookies) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-04-18 15:31:00

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Entry tags:char: angle man/angelo bend, char: cheetah/barbara minerva, char: dr. psycho/edgar cizko, char: wonder girl/cassie sandsmark, char: wonder girl/troia/donna troy, char: wonder woman/diana of themyscira, creator: phil jimenez, creator: robert kanigher, publisher: dc comics, series: world of wondy

Wonder Woman Villains - The Aggravating Case of Angle Man, part 1




Before I start, I again have to thank google, Amazon Archives, wiki, etc. for helping me. I only have a few Silver Age Wonder Woman comics (with no desire for more), and while they include Angle Man appearances they do not appear to be important appearances.

Looking at how Angle Man has been handled is quite irritating, because sheer bloody-minded incompetence did the character so much harm I'm not sure he'll be salvaged (it's possible to do it, I can think of several ways myself, but right now it could go either way).

Let's start at the beginning.

William Moulton Marston, creator of Wonder Woman, died in 1947. The book was taken over by writer Robert Kanigher, who made the book much more straightforward adventure fare.

(Kanigher had quite an influence in the comics industry, scripting the first appearance of the Silver Age Flash [kicking off the Silver Age itself], working on JSA, Hawkman, Green Lantern, most of DC's war titles, and creating Black Canary, Rose and Thorn, Sgt. Rock [with Joe Kubert] Enemy Ace, The War that Time Forgot, The Losers, The Unknown Soldier, and The Haunted Tank [with Russ Heath]. So when I say that I find his long run on Wonder Woman to be some of the purest brainpoison on the planet, don't think I'm ignorant of his many accomplishments)

As the backlog of Marston scripts dried up and Marston's family stopped writing stories, Kanigher phased out most of the supporting cast (even, briefly, the Amazons of Paradise Island).

He began presenting Wonder Woman in three short, disconnected stories per issue rather than three chapters of one full-length script. The short form left little room for characterization or elaborate plots and, for a while, typically featured Wonder Woman as a full-time crime fighter frequently targeted by the criminal underworld for elimination.

The Angle Man emerged after a series of tales in which Kanigher presented a desperate underworld turning to experts in designing elaborate schemes to defeat Wonder Woman. First, there were one-shot tales featuring the Plotter and the Brain.

Then, Wonder Woman #62 (1953) featured "Angle" Andrews, a criminal that looked at all the angles of a crime.



This led to Wonder Woman #70 (1954) and "Angle Man".




Angle Man's appearance changed a lot, near as I can tell. Sometimes he was a blonde, sometimes so platinum blonde he was almost white-haired, but here's the look that showed up the most (and eventually became the permanent one)




From the comics I have, Angle Man was the sort of villain to go "aha, I've tricked you into stepping into quick-drying cement, Wonder Woman! Angles! I've got a million of 'em!" It says something that he and the Duke of Deception (a Golden Age villain) were just about the only recurring villains of the Silver age.

This "I've got a million of 'em!" shtick eventually got old, and in the pages of The Secret Society of Super-Villains(1977) he got a power up.

More precisely, he randomly showed up with a magic/superscience device in the comic. The actual explanation for where it came from came in a one-page text supplement. Apparently when Darkseid formed the Secret Society of super Villains he gave Angle Man the weapon, and Angle Man promptly used it to move forward in time to a point where Darkseid was no longer in charge of the group.

He also got a costume that I'm not very fond of.



And apparently played a key role in bringing the Wonder Woman comic back to the present (see, the Wonder Woman TV show had come out, and it was quite popular. Since it was initially set during World War II, the Wonder Woman comics began to focus on the alternate reality adventures of WWII Wonder Woman. When the TV show jumped to the present, the comics followed suit, with a story about Angle Man hopping through time and space providing a teamup between the two Wonder Woman before things went back to normal. Or something).

Anyway, that's Pre-Crisis Angle Man for you.



And then came 1985 and "Crisis on Infinite Earths"






Angle Man was dead. Maybe it's because he was "attempting to use his Angler during the massive dimensional upheavals caused by that event". Reading this was my first exposure to the character, actually.


For 14 years nobody mentioned him. Wonder Woman was rebooted from scratch - she and all her supporting cast and villains were introduced "for the first time". None of the pre-Crisis stories were canon any more, and besides, the pre-Crisis Angle Man was dead anyway.

Then, in Flash #155 (1999) there was a surprise. Flash had a villain called Replicant, that was going around stealing/absorbing villains' superscience weapons.





As appearances go, that was both pointless and nonsensical. It was also, I'm sad to say, to prove very important. But that's later.

In Wonder Woman 179 (2002) Phil Jimenez properly introduced a post-Crisis Angle Man. It was part of a complicated story in which Cheetah (Barbera Minerva) had her powers stolen by a guy named Sebastian. So she wanted to steal the powers of a character named Fury, to go rip out Sebastian's throat and get back what belonged to her.





















Barbera seems initially grateful, but after gaining the powers of Fury, she ends up a bit bloodthirsty and decides she doesn't feel like paying Angelo's bill.



Then, on Themyscira...



Donna and Diana fly off to beat up some bad guys, and it's all a bit complicated. Anyway, Donna apparently ends up on the receiving end of a god's wrath...








Donna proves bad at surviving and dies when one of Superman's robot doubles ends up going berserk. I hate those things.

At Donna's Funeral





That seems like a good place to stop, because I'm afraid what comes next gets very very stupid.



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[info]bluefall
2009-04-18 07:59 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, "refresher course" would hold a lot more water if he weren't instructing her in among the most basic of bow concepts as though she were unfamiliar with it.

Besides, I allowed that her backstory wasn't Jimenez' fault. That doesn't make it any less irritating. In fact the whole "was never a proper amazon at this point" makes it about ten times more irritating. "Durrr, let's make Wonder Girl have nothing whatsoever to do with amazons or Wonder Woman, and in fact historically precede them. Lol, good call dudes!" ::facepalm::

Plus B) It's a good pretext for a date.

I always forget they were an item. Terry, Kyle, Roy, Angelo - she really doesn't have any kind of type at all, does she? And that's before you bring Kory into the mix.

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[info]icon_uk
2009-04-18 08:09 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, "refresher course" would hold a lot more water if he weren't instructing her in among the most basic of bow concepts as though she were unfamiliar with it.

If it's not a weapon she ever actually USES (I can't think of a single time she's used a bow in combat), and it's a refresher, it would be standard procedure to cover the basics. Just like, say, mandatory fire training in an office building. Doesn't matter how often you've been on the course before, they'll ALWAYS go back to basics, to remind the trainee of their fundamental importance.

Besides, I allowed that her backstory wasn't Jimenez' fault. That doesn't make it any less irritating. In fact the whole "was never a proper amazon at this point" makes it about ten times more irritating. "Durrr, let's make Wonder Girl have nothing whatsoever to do with amazons or Wonder Woman, and in fact historically precede them. Lol, good call dudes!" ::facepalm::

Up to a point I'll let that slide, as naming a superhero girl "Wonder Girl" is essentially no less weird than naming a superhero woman "Wonder Woman". At least they left her with some sort of ties to Greek Mythology, though it might have been better not to.

Terry, Kyle, Roy, Angelo - she really doesn't have any kind of type at all, does she? And that's before you bring Kory into the mix.

Depends how narrowly you define "type". All of them were essentially "good" people which is a better starting point than many use. (I know that mentioning Terry around here is like mentioning Cousin Oliver to a Brady Bunch fan, or Justin the Blue Turbo Ranger to a Power Rangers junkie, but he appeared to be a fundamentally decent person), even Angelo, though you can hardly call them an item appeared to have a certain slightly cheesy, slightly sleazy set of ethics.

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[info]sailorlibra
2009-04-18 10:34 pm UTC (link)
Of course, she also liked Jason, who has an iffy "good" person status. I suppose he has his own ethics code as well.

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[info]tsuki_the_geek
2009-04-20 12:01 pm UTC (link)
But she liked Jason likely BECAUSE of the Robin he was when they were Titans. And he was way more "good" in that run. And wore short-pants. ;)

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[info]xlineartx
2009-04-18 08:29 pm UTC (link)
I think it's more of the fact that writing a proper refresher course would take actual, you know, research.

Man, I would rather have a Donna that was raised on Paradise Island, because it makes so much more sense for her character. I like the idea of Diana's little sister being like, "Diana left the island! Why can't I go too?" and running after her. Plus, the idea of the youngest Amazon immediately running so soon after they kinda-sorta start interacting with the Patriarch's World would be really interesting to see resonate within Themiscyra itself. Obviously the outside world would seem glamorous and exciting to a teenage girl who'd spent all her life on the same island and had only ever heard about boys second- or thirdhand and now her big sister is not only going to see all that stuff and more but is going to go off and spread peace and love and the Themiscyran Way and probably even get to fight monsters--well, who wouldn't empathize with that? If that were the case, her weird taste in love interests makes more sense--they're not Amazons. She'd want someone kind of immature and a little flawed but not so serious all the time, and definitely a lot of fun.

Kory doesn't work so much, though.

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[info]bluefall
2009-04-18 08:59 pm UTC (link)
Well, Kory would make sense for the flip side of the same reason - she is Amazon. She's this passionate, fierce, incredibly feminine warrior who wears her heart on her sleeve and loves openly, wholeheartedly and unreservedly in a way that Donna wouldn't find elsewhere in Man's World. (Even Diana, over time, has lost it; she's far more stoic and reserved now than she was when she first left the island.) So while Donna's busy being attracted to the exoticism of all these silly, fun, crude, innocent, wildly diverse and imperfect boys, she also probably can't help but be drawn on a different level to someone so familiar, so much like what she grew up thinking of as ideal - and who is a sort of refuge when all the other differences get to be too much. It's the immediate, exploratory allure of the new versus the slow, dependable comfort of the known.

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[info]seriousfic
2009-04-18 09:51 pm UTC (link)
Plus, everyone's gay for Kory (frex, Raven).

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I get it! Frex means for example!
[info]scottyquick
2009-04-18 10:12 pm UTC (link)
What other secrets have you been hiding from me, seriousfic?

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Re: I get it! Frex means for example!
[info]seriousfic
2009-04-18 10:15 pm UTC (link)
I'm Batman.

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Re: I get it! Frex means for example!
[info]scottyquick
2009-04-18 10:19 pm UTC (link)
I meant outside of your cosplay fetish.

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Re: I get it! Frex means for example!
[info]seriousfic
2009-04-18 10:22 pm UTC (link)
It's not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me.

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Re: I get it! Frex means for example!
[info]magus_69
2009-04-19 02:26 am UTC (link)
Superman defines you?

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Re: I get it! Frex means for example!
[info]seriousfic
2009-04-19 10:15 am UTC (link)
You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

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Re: I get it! Frex means for example!
[info]scottyquick
2009-04-19 11:35 pm UTC (link)
Now I'm still trying to see how that relates.

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Re: I get it! Frex means for example!
[info]seriousfic
2009-04-19 11:38 pm UTC (link)
It was a big dog.

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Re: I get it! Frex means for example!
[info]scottyquick
2009-04-19 11:39 pm UTC (link)
Unicorn snot is acidic.

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Re: I get it! Frex means for example!
[info]seriousfic
2009-04-19 11:43 pm UTC (link)
There aren't going to be any fireworks!

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Re: I get it! Frex means for example! - [info]scottyquick, 2009-04-19 11:46 pm UTC
Re: I get it! Frex means for example! - [info]seriousfic, 2009-04-19 11:51 pm UTC
Re: I get it! Frex means for example!
[info]darklorelei
2009-04-18 10:20 pm UTC (link)
...OH!

I learned something today!

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[info]batcookies
2009-04-18 09:58 pm UTC (link)
I like the idea of Diana's little sister being like, "Diana left the island! Why can't I go too?" and running after her.

Whereas I... don't like the idea of "Diana's little sister". At all.

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[info]bluefall
2009-04-18 10:32 pm UTC (link)
Interesting. Whyso?

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[info]batcookies
2009-04-18 10:51 pm UTC (link)
From a storytelling viewpoint, I simply prefer Diana being raised in a loving family where she is the only "child". I do think it adds something to have Diana grow up essentially without anyone her own age.

Plus I just plain don't like Donna. Which isn't to say I hate her. I hate how she's shoehorned in as Diana's magic childhood friend, yes, all because someone couldn't be bothered to find out "Wonder Girl" was a timetraveling Diana, but as for what she is now... I'm completely ambivalent. She bores me, and always has.

Come to think of it, the only time I ever really enjoyed Donna Troy was in Teen Titans: Year One. That Amy Wolfram and Karl Kerschl weren't given an ongoing is criminal.

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[info]bluefall
2009-04-19 11:21 am UTC (link)
"Ambivalent" would mean you simultaneously love and loathe her. Sounds like you're more indifferent. sorry I can't help myself it's an English major thing that's a really useful word that's been made useless by conflation with a totally opposite concept sorry

'S funny, though, that what you've just described is a big part of what, as a Donna convert, annoys me most about her treatment - because that's such a completely natural post-Crisis Diana fan attitude to hold. I felt pretty much exactly the same way until fairly recently, and who wouldn't? She's got nothing to do with Diana, all of their interaction feels really forced and false, she never does anything interesting or useful in Diana's world and the one time when she's actually around regularly in a well-integrated way (Jimenez) she's annoying as all getout and completely fails to accomplish anything meaningful or important even when she's theoretically significant to the plot. She adds nothing and subtracts much.

But she shouldn't be that way, and she doesn't have to be. She's a meaningful and interesting character in her own right through her Titans years and in DARKSTARS, and she does add something valuable to Diana when their relationship is done right - when they're actually sisters who love, trust and know each other like only sisters can, as opposed to random strangers with a vague and meaningless "connection" (or as opposed to pretty much any of Diana's other long-term, strong relationships, which are always either maternal, or with men - usually romanticized and never truly emotionally intimate). The fact that that never quite gelled in the entirety of volume 2 is shameful.

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Re: Ambivalent
[info]bluejaybirdie
2009-04-19 01:51 pm UTC (link)
Hey, I learned something new today!

*makes note to self to stop using "ambivalent" in that context*

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[info]batcookies
2009-04-19 05:23 pm UTC (link)
Again though, I think the "sisters" angle takes something away from Diana. She's got something of a fairytale childhood as it is, and I think it makes things more interesting to have her be able to say "of course I had a wonderful family... but I never had any children my own age to play with..." Having her get a companion by magic (and not just any companion, a companion magically guaranteed to be her perfect match) just makes her childhood too perfect for me.

And thanks for the correction on ambivalence. Was almost an English Major (it's what my grades and teachers said I should go for), but science lured me away...

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[info]bluefall
2009-04-19 06:07 pm UTC (link)
Well that's where - and God, it feels so wrong to say this - but that's where Byrne is the solution. Donna becomes this awesome playmate that Diana had for a single summer, and then lost - which means that from then on, not only did she not have a playmate growing up, she knew what she was missing, which makes it that much more poignant. (It also, I think, makes a lot of sense that a kinda-lonely Diana would have tried to *do* something about it, and it gives her interesting symmetry with Polly as well, who after all did the exact same thing.)

Slot that into the post-FC retcon (or at least one of them, depending on what title you're looking at), where a just-barely-adult Diana discovers the kidnapped, still-teen Donna and rescues her, and that casts that childhood decision to create Donna in still more bittersweet a light (because she created this person and promptly massively failed her). Meanwhile, there's no real interference in the uniqueness of Diana's creation myth, her effect on the amazons, or her own adolescence, because Donna's there and gone again and isn't really *part* of Diana's life until her adulthood.

It's also really the best way to explain the stark difference in dynamic between Bruce-Dick (father-son) and Diana-Donna (older sibling-younger sibling) despite the fact that the age gap is the same.

science lured me away...

Yeah, I was lured by *everything.* English Major was kind of the ultimate expression of "dammit I cannot narrow my interests down!" - writing gives you an excuse to learn about just about anything, because if you want to, say, write a story about a supervillain trying to build an orbital laser, it behooves you to know how such a thing would actually *work,* and then next week you can write an episode of one of sixteen million medical dramas and research some kind of crazy-ass cool disease instead.

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